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  •  Both of us said exactly that! (8+ / 0-)

    You're so perceptive!

    I keep saying again and again that the Palestinians are paragons of virtue and perfect in every way, if only Israel would finally listen to me!

    Except I don't.

    And no, the Palestinians have never and can never use the argument you are talking about in the US media. Do they use it in Palestine, of course they do. But we were talking specifically about US support for Israel and what drives that. The Palestinians are visible different and obviously linguistically different, that means that Israel can, and does, other them and play of Americans' racism against brown people and Islamophobia. Why do you think that supporters of Israel feel the need to constantly mention that Israel is a democracy? Because by implication Palestine is not. It's tried and true propaganda and it's sad to see people here playing the same game.

    •  Digging that hole a little deep aren't you? (0+ / 0-)

      You think that the reason Americans don't support the Palestinians is because they're brown?  That's a load of garbage.  People tend to listen to the words used, it doesn't make any difference what color the person is.

      Also people constantly mention Israel as a democracy because it is.  They are not comparing it to Palestine, but to their neighbors in the Middle East.  Nice try though.

      Looking through the bent backed tulips, To see how the other half lives, Looking through a glass onion - John Lennon and Paul McCartney

      by Hey338Too on Mon Mar 18, 2013 at 02:21:37 PM PDT

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      •  You really must live in a bubble (7+ / 0-)

        if you think that the race of the person talking has no affect on the American public. I'm certainly not accusing everyone who supports Israel of being racist, but if you think that the American public doesn't have a negative and skewed view of Arabs then you are frankly wrong. Anti-Arab bias is constant and ongoing. They are almost always portrayed as being violent or angry in various media, and they are also portrayed as being culturally backward. That you would deny any anti-Arab bias in the US says to me that you are either willfully ignorant or lying, it is pervasive.

        Also people constantly mention Israel as a democracy because it is.  They are not comparing it to Palestine, but to their neighbors in the Middle East.  Nice try though.
        They clearly are comparing it to Palestine when it constantly gets brought up in discussions about Israel and Palestine.
        •  I'd argue that there is more of a pro-Israel... (0+ / 0-)

          bias than an anti-arab one.  Claiming that people on the pro-Israel side are paying more attention to the color of a speaker as opposed to the words that person is saying completely absurd.

          Looking through the bent backed tulips, To see how the other half lives, Looking through a glass onion - John Lennon and Paul McCartney

          by Hey338Too on Mon Mar 18, 2013 at 03:09:22 PM PDT

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          •  If it's absurd then why is it that (7+ / 0-)

            the majority of support for Israel is on the right. As another commenter noted, support on the right, the same folks who hate Obama, is far higher than on the left. Race certainly isn't everything, but it does have a large affect.

            Claiming that people on the pro-Israel side are paying more attention to the color of a speaker as opposed to the words that person is saying completely absurd.
            To clarify. It isn't all people that this is true of, but a large chunk of Americans are highly biased against Arabs. When the representatives of Israel are all white and speak English without a significant accent while the representatives of Palestine, when they even have them, are brown and speak with an accent racism is going to have a large role in what a lot of people think about the situation. I'm not accusing you of that, I'm speaking about the American public at large.

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