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  •  Show me one single comment you've posted (0+ / 0-)

    in the last year about the plight of the Congolese - of whom there are 71 million - and I'll take your effrontery seriously.  Otherwise this issue is nothing more than a perverse fetish.

    Ask me if I'm afraid. I say, "Of course not. I'm a fool, and fools never die."

    by Troubadour on Mon Mar 18, 2013 at 04:16:59 PM PDT

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    •  BWAHAHAHAHA!! (7+ / 0-)

      You have never once spoken about Rwanda, why should I take you seriously!?

      When did you post about Tibet? Huh?

      Come on, this is pathetic. You really are hewing to the script pretty well.

      •  Well, do you have an answer? (1+ / 0-)
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        Is your interest in the issue nothing more than a cargo cult fetish, or is there some rational, self-consistent human rights agenda at work?  Do you comment on the theft and misallocation of international aid by Palestinian entities, terrorist groups, and organized crime?  The unwillingness of neighboring countries to help even as they demagogue the issue to deflect internal anger?  How about the Hamas terrorist government - any knowledge and/or thoughts about that which you've thought worthwhile to convey?  Or has the tenor of your discussions been similar to this one - i.e., Israel = bad, Palestinians = saintly victims deserving of infinite international attention and patience, and all criticism of the latter is evil?

        Ask me if I'm afraid. I say, "Of course not. I'm a fool, and fools never die."

        by Troubadour on Mon Mar 18, 2013 at 04:32:13 PM PDT

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        •  Do you have an answer? (6+ / 0-)

          Because I don't see you out there defending other countries doing the things Israel does.

          And if you were to pay attention you'd note that I do write about other places. Greece specifically, and the attack on immigrants by the fascists there, with the collusion of the police and the Golden Dawn party.

          I suppose that doesn't count for some reason or another.

          How about the Hamas terrorist government - any knowledge and/or thoughts about that which you've thought worthwhile to convey?  Or has the tenor of your discussions been similar to this one - i.e., Israel = bad, Palestinians = saintly victims deserving of infinite international attention and patience, and all criticism of the latter is evil?
          You have literally blamed the Palestinians for everything that's wrong and then you want other people who disagree with you on that fact to criticize Hamas too. Because that will change your mind. If only we could talk about how horrible the Palestinians are. It's like a bad joke.

          And where did I say all criticism was evil? No where. I noted that there is a narrative of Arabs being savages that is forwarded by nonsense one sided diaries like this that ask leading questions, and by people who push the "Palestinians are responsible for everything" nonsense like you do. I never called the Palestinians perfect. What I did say, and what I will continue to say, is that the people of Palestine don't deserve the slow ethnic cleansing that is happening there. Nor do they deserve the collective punishment inflicted by Israel. Which you don't seem to care about at all. Or at least don't want to talk about.

          •  Because I'm not defending Israel at all. (1+ / 0-)
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            I'm saying Palestinians haven't done anything to demonstrate that the international community's efforts on their behalf are appreciated and used in good faith in the interests of peace.  Quite the opposite.  They elected a government who rejects the very existence of Israel, making dialog with it impossible.  Well, they got what they wanted - no dialog, and an Israeli government that has accepted the message Palestinians put out - no peace is desired or possible.  

            Now I ask you again: Why am I supposed to care more about Palestinians than they care about themselves?  Why am I supposed to sympathize with a political cause that has squandered every opportunity ever presented to it, literally blew up its own chances for statehood and peace, and shows nothing but contempt for the international community that props it up by electing an eliminationist terrorist group to head their government?  I can sympathize with individual human beings dealing with a situation not of their making, but as a political force the Palestinian cause is moribund, despicable, and suicidal.  And I have no sympathy for a cause that hates another people more than it loves its own.

            Ask me if I'm afraid. I say, "Of course not. I'm a fool, and fools never die."

            by Troubadour on Mon Mar 18, 2013 at 05:27:04 PM PDT

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            •  Of course you were defending Israel (5+ / 0-)

              You said that this was all Palestine's fault. That's a defense of Israel's actions.

              Why am I supposed to sympathize with a political cause that has squandered every opportunity ever presented to it, literally blew up its own chances for statehood and peace, and shows nothing but contempt for the international community that props it up by electing an eliminationist terrorist group to head their government?
              How about you stop making up history. Then maybe we can have a conversation. Palestine was offered a "state" only in the most absurd definition of a state, one who's borders would be completely controlled by Israel. A state which did not have control of it's own water. It was "peace" in the most technical terms. The peace that you seek is oppression and apartheid with a thin veneer of legitimacy imposed on top.

              But don't worry, the ethnic cleansing will continue. So you win in the end.

              •  You're talking to some imaginary enemy, not me. (0+ / 0-)

                And just ignoring everything I say and inventing your own straw men to attack.  Just proves to me how delusional and psychotic I/P fetishism is.

                Ask me if I'm afraid. I say, "Of course not. I'm a fool, and fools never die."

                by Troubadour on Mon Mar 18, 2013 at 07:04:07 PM PDT

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              •  And let me get this straight. (0+ / 0-)

                You're outraged that Israel offered a Palestinian state because the details didn't meet with your approval, but pooh-pooh the fact that Palestinians elected a terrorist group that doesn't even recognize Israel's right to exist.  The former is "ethnic cleansing," but the latter is an excusable and understandable reaction to not being given 100% of everything they demand?  Where do you get your morality?  Oceania?

                Ask me if I'm afraid. I say, "Of course not. I'm a fool, and fools never die."

                by Troubadour on Mon Mar 18, 2013 at 07:14:31 PM PDT

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                •  It was a state in name only (1+ / 0-)
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                  In practice is was more apartheid.

                  It most certainly was not a million dollars as you would put it.

                  The former is "ethnic cleansing," but the latter is an excusable and understandable reaction to not being given 100% of everything they demand?
                  What Israel is actually doing is ethnic cleansing, the continuing expansion of the settlements makes that perfectly clear. And the refusal to recognize the existence of a state that is explicitly Jewish on land that was and is lived on by Arabs who aren't Jewish is a big problem, it's ethnic cleansing. That's why there is a rejection of Israel as a Jewish state. Because it isn't just Jewish. It's also Arab, just not officially. The goal of a Jewish state has to be to rid itself of non-Jews to maintain its Jewishness, and that's what Israel does.

                  Hamas is a bunch of right wing assholes, but when only right wing assholes are successfully, or even just visibly, resisting ethnic cleansing then they are going to be popular. Maybe if Israel hadn't have pushed for religious parties to be more powerful and funding them, their existence wouldn't be a problem. The right wing in Israel loves for Hamas to be in charge and they do whatever they can to make sure the religious parties maintain power. The folks in charge in Israel want Greater Israel and they're going to get it, regardless of what else happens. They've jailed and killed everyone in Palestine who resists peacefully and made sure that only the most violent groups have any power.

                  But blame the people who have no state instead, it's all their fault.

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