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  •  The weird thing about marriage (12+ / 0-)

    Jesus actually did have something to say about marriage. Nothing to do with gays whatever. He was however utterly explicit about divorce. So what do his alleged followers worry about?

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    by Dogs are fuzzy on Mon Mar 18, 2013 at 05:40:35 PM PDT

    •  He Said People Shouldn't Marry, It Was Only For (0+ / 0-)

      the weak.

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      by Gooserock on Mon Mar 18, 2013 at 05:55:42 PM PDT

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      •  I think that was Saul of Tarsus, aka Paul (7+ / 0-)

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        by Kitsap River on Mon Mar 18, 2013 at 06:00:33 PM PDT

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        •  Matthew 19 and Probably Either Mark or Luke (2+ / 0-)
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          since they have the same core source.

          He had just finished forbidding divorce.

          10 The disciples said to him, “If such is the case of a man with his wife, it is not expedient to marry.” 11 But he said to them, “Not all men can receive this saying, but only those to whom it is given.... He who is able to receive this, let him receive it.”
          A little more hesitant than I put it, so he's making celibacy a rare ideal.

          We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

          by Gooserock on Mon Mar 18, 2013 at 06:27:29 PM PDT

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          •  Less of an ideal than something that is, actually. (3+ / 0-)
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            It's more a statement that some people, by nature or by physical damage or because they feel called to do something else instead just weren't suited to marriage as it existed then (and still mainly does, for that matter) with mandatory sexual activities between the spouses.

            There was no judgment made by Jesus on whether people in that unmarried and celibate category were better or worse than anyone else in God's eyes. He was just stating that they exist.

            In context, he was basically telling those listening that while some people naturally will not marry, fear or not being able to get divorced is not in and of itself a good reason to skip marrying when you otherwise want to.

            And that statement is just in Matthew. A number of celibate asexuals (myself included) believe they are who he was talking about in the 'by nature' category, there are others who think he was talking about exclusively gay people with no opposite-sex interest or even active repulsion, and there are probably other pro-QUILTBAG interpretations I haven't heard. If it was in any of the other gospels, it would have been referenced in those posts.

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            by Cassandra Waites on Mon Mar 18, 2013 at 08:22:18 PM PDT

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      •  It was St. Paul (4+ / 0-)

        He said it was better to marry than burn with sexual desire.
        It should be noted that Paul was an apocalypticist and truly believed the end of the world was at hand. He thought people should have more important priorities than marriage and family because of this.
        Jesus, as Dogs are fuzzy alludes to, said in no uncertain terms that people who divorce and remarry are committing adultery. So much of the New Testament was forged or altered, however, I'm not sure I believe that Jesus said actually said it.
        Jesus is considered to have blessed the institution of marriage when he changed water into wine at a wedding ceremony in Cana. (That's apparently why some Christian churches consider marriage a sacrament.)

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