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  •  why is it that no one I've ever met is so (2+ / 0-)
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    terrified of a home invasion they feel the need to own a gun?

    I'm not saying a gun for home defense should be illegal.  But I don't get it.  

    And your attribution of a European way of looking at things really doesn't apply to me in the least.  Your guardian links notwithstanding, people in Europe simply don't see their lives as being under constant threat like we do in this country.  It's not just about what they're legally allowed to do.  They simply don't.  There's a lot of crime in Europe too.  There are a lot of things that are dealt with in a more mature fashion in Europe than here.

    And the point about 'leaving the house' is simply this:  there are other ways of dealing with home safety.  People who rely on guns tend to be less aware  of this fact.

    •  Hey, I don't own any firearms, I practice those (4+ / 0-)

      "other ways" as you've suggested.  Those "other ways" will not stop a home invasion nor will they stop a burglar in the middle of the night.  My martial arts training will do no good against a bullet.

      The "mentality" here isn't immature, its realistic.  The police can't and don't have to protect you, so someone must.  That responsibility falls upon the person, it really is that simple.  

      My own brother was a victim of a home invasion whereby the 4 intruders rounded them all up in the living room and held guns on them, including my mentally retarded niece.  They live in North Carolina and they got lucky.  They moved the next day into a hotel.

      It's not real until you're the one facing that situation.  I understand this and so do many Americans.  The naivete is gone.

      As for the "European mind-set".  They've been conditioned into victimization.  The greatest tool the oppressor has is the mind of the oppressed.  Remember those really bad "B" movies where the person waits for the killer to kill them?  The massive restrictions upon firearm ownership and their demonization for almost 100 yrs there has conditioned their society into seeing them as evil incarnate.  That gun control movement in Europe started right after the Bolshevik Revolution.  The powers that be feared the masses.

      Read the Blackwell Report from 1918 to understand this history please.

      That same fear by those in power was exported throughout the world.  Leading to our National Firearms Act of 1934.  

      The rise of our civil rights movement in the 60's lead to the Gun Control Act of 1968.  

      I must ask this: Is it really the American people that fear or is the framing been co-opted as Edward Bernay's suggested?

      “The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ...We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. ...In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons...who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.”
      I really detest propaganda, no matter where it comes from.

      -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

      by gerrilea on Tue Mar 19, 2013 at 09:52:47 AM PDT

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      •  Right-wingnut talking points, presented as fact? (1+ / 0-)
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        On DailyKos? Sad times.

        •  ROFL, Supreme Court Decisions are RW talking (1+ / 0-)
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          points? History is a RW talking point?

          I see that you are a student of Mr. Bernay's, thanks for letting us know!

          -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

          by gerrilea on Tue Mar 19, 2013 at 08:40:09 PM PDT

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          •  ROFLMAO, SCOTUS now hates Europe? (0+ / 0-)

            Scalia, maybe, is afraid he'd get his comeuppance there. The others seem to enjoy it.

            I'm sorry for the scare your brother had, and glad no-one was hurt. Was there a racial element to the break-in, e.g. is your brother black and the burglars were white? Just curious.

            Your thought-process on guns seems straight out of a libertarian die. That can be entertaining as a sophomore or in basic training, but quickly grows tiresome.

            As for the "European mind-set".  They've been conditioned into victimization. The greatest tool the oppressor has is the mind of the oppressed. ... The massive restrictions upon firearm ownership and their demonization for almost 100 yrs there has conditioned their society into seeing them as evil incarnate. That gun control movement in Europe started right after the Bolshevik Revolution. The powers that be feared the masses.
            Funny, I don't recall reading this Supreme Court ruling, which case was it? (I'm assuming you're not so stupid as to buy into the right-wing conspiratorial paranoia, e.g. that gun-control and the National Firearms Act of 1934 is part of some nefarious plot by 'powers-that-be' to usurp democracy.)

            Bernays did many evil things, notably tobacco promotion, but gun-control was not one of them. Quoting Bernays does not make you clever.

            Most of us on DailyKos agree that "the danger attending the indiscriminate possession of revolvers or pistols is obvious."

            •  Selective reading comprehension & propaganda. (1+ / 0-)
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              Your issues, not mine.

              The SC made clear the police have no duty to protect any of us.  How you've warped it into a personal ad hominem is classic Bernay's:  "you're not so stupid as to buy into the right-wing conspiratorial paranoia"

              Argumentum ad populum:

              "Most of us on DailyKos agree that..."

              Meaningless false arguments that do not address the issues presented.  Feeble attempts to distract from the facts that you do not have.

              Clearly you don't like history or those of us that have actually studied it as a profession. The socioeconomic issues brought about by big oil (Standard Oil) along with the Banksters (or criminal banking cartels) to consolidate their power and influence isn't a secret or CT, it's historical fact.  Big tobacco wasn't the only one reading Bernay's writings.

              Eric Holder in 1995:

              The dying rule of law, the erosion of our constitution

              "There is only so much you can extract out of the country, out of the people. What is left to take after all that?

              You take away the people's rights, because you have to insure the continuance of the power structure in place".
              Recall what Eric Holder said in 1995 regarding guns and then fast forward to today:

              The Day 'Due Process' Died: Obama, Holder and the End of Rights

              In his speech, Attorney General Holder said things no honest man would ever believe would be said by the highest law officer in the United States.

              Holder said "that a careful and thorough executive branch review of the facts in a case amounts to 'due process' and that the Constitution's Fifth Amendment protection against depriving a citizen of his or her life without due process of law does not mandate a 'judicial process.'"

              This isn't a game of "left versus right".  The immaturity of your personal attacks and limited abilities to think critically cannot distract those of us that have been paying attention.

              I could give a systematic review of how social media shapes and controls the American people and their attitudes but I'll leave that for another day.

              -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

              by gerrilea on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 04:53:02 AM PDT

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