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  •  Revenge makes... (0+ / 0-)

    everything better.

    This makes about as much sense as Mike Huckabee on mescaline. - Prodigal 2-6-2008

    by Tonedevil on Mon Mar 18, 2013 at 10:55:46 PM PDT

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    •  Compassion didn't matter to the rapists. (0+ / 0-)

      It still doesn't. Doesn't that bother you? Why do you want to spare these guys after what they did?

       Considering that they date raped a girl, they deserve revenge. They rate revenge.

       So no, I can't do what you do and forgive something like rape. I want people like that punished. I want real justice, you know for people who get hurt, not the criminals who went out of their way to hurt the victims in the first place.

      •  If you will... (0+ / 0-)

        just assure me you don't in any way shape or form have any authority over the justice system I will be able to sleep tonight. Despite your protestations to the contrary I care about the victim. I also am concerned about the perpetrators. Regardless of your wishes they will be out and free in society when they become adults.  It seems like every attempt to insure they don't offend in this manor again is a win.
        The victim and the perpetrator are separate issues. Now that the horrific deed is done in no way does punishment serve the victim. If the perpetrator can understand what they did wrong and why it is wrong perhaps they don't need to be incarcerated for their adult life, as you seem to be advocating for.

        This makes about as much sense as Mike Huckabee on mescaline. - Prodigal 2-6-2008

        by Tonedevil on Mon Mar 18, 2013 at 11:23:50 PM PDT

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        •  I'll never have authority in the justice sytem. (0+ / 0-)

          I think your concern for the perpetrators is admirable but equally disgusting. They're sex offenders. Giving them a warning isn't what you do to people like that. They don't deserve to be "out and free in society". I don't think so. Their punishment is so light that I think they'll take it for granted. It tends to happen with sex offenders.

           Don't you think the victim would be happier knowing her rapists got punished? Instead they're getting a light punishment, one that is resulting in death threats to the victim.

           We'll see though. If they never does this again, then okay I see your point. That doesn't absolve them in any way though. It shouldn't.

           I still say they should be incarcerated for a nice chunk of their lives, but if juvenile detention somehow changes them for the better (which I doubt), then fine.

           

        •  Here's A Win For You (1+ / 0-)
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          It seems like every attempt to insure they don't offend in this manor again is a win.
          Well, then, we need to get the laws reformed so that perps like this are kept behind bars for a time appropriate to the severity of their offense. When they get out, presbyopia and creaky joints ought to inhibit their search and pursuit of further victims.

          Sorry, but your misguided sympathy is just reinforcing the stereotype of liberals as soft-hearted and softer-headed nitwits.

          On the Internet, nobody knows if you're a dog... but everybody knows if you're a jackass.

          by stevemb on Tue Mar 19, 2013 at 08:50:58 AM PDT

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      •  From personal experience, a cousin several (5+ / 0-)

        years younger than these guys sexually assaulted my daughter ~ 7. Took a lot for me to forgive him, even knowing how much abuse he was getting from his father. They both resolved it a decade ago. I was able to confront it during the Sandusky scandal and although it will probably be years before I see him again, if ever, it will be OK.

        In this case the young men obviously needed to be charged, the conviction and sentencing are appropriate. This is a situation where they can be so destroyed they go on to other crimes; or get counseling to understand what they did wrong, what contributed to it (alcohol) and to learn the lesson rather than lose it.

        Much better that they are in a juvenile facility that has a better chance of staff who understand the difference in mental development of a teen and an adult 25 or older.

        And that development phase was cited last year in Elena Kagan's decision on punishment for juveniles tried as adults.

        "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

        by Ginny in CO on Tue Mar 19, 2013 at 02:33:04 AM PDT

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        •  Thank you... (0+ / 0-)

          I tried several times to respond to the chatter above, you said it much better than I have been able to. People who refuse to understand the difference between juvenile and adult frustrate me to distraction.

          This makes about as much sense as Mike Huckabee on mescaline. - Prodigal 2-6-2008

          by Tonedevil on Tue Mar 19, 2013 at 02:37:27 PM PDT

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