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  •  That's what Anonymous does. Did you expect (4+ / 0-)
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    anything else?

    •  Not at all. I just wish the Anonymous-worshipers (6+ / 0-)

      here would figure out that the group's interests do not lie with the victim here, and get a clue that there is nothing pure about them. (To be fair, this particular diarist is cryptic enough about Anonymous that I can't characterize the statement as pro or con, but there's been little such ambiguity in the many other diaries that have addressed this, some now deleted.)

      Throughout these diaries many folks have been claiming that the crime would not have been prosecuted without Anonymous, that KnightSec uncovered the noxious Nodianos video, that the police dragged their feet for months without pursuing the case, and that their cyber-interference is somehow responsible for justice being done.

      Not a bit of that is true. Nor are many of the "facts" spread in the early reports based on Anon leaks and dutifully repeated by many here. (I'm referring to sordid details like "they dumped her on her parents' lawn" and not the underlying crimes.)

      It may turn out that the increased scrutiny resulting from Anon's involvement has a positive effect by leading to charges against additional defendants for other crimes (e.g., failure to report), and it has certainly led to wider and more sustained discussion of rape culture & football privilege. But it may have done so at the expense of innocent people as well as guilty ones, and it may turn out that their involvement was a net negative because of the sheer volume of false information they spread. We may never know for sure. But the repeated whining about Fox for behavior that multiple other sources engaged in is getting to be a bit much, imo.

      •  Why exactly is it a kindness to a victim for (6+ / 0-)

        no-one to know her name?  Does secrecy not imply there is some reason to feel shame?  Is it because a known victim of rape is likely to be victimized again?

        Why is it society at large is unaware of the extent to which children are victimized by sexual abusers and rapists? Because when cases are brought to trial, the proceedings are largely secret. It's supposed to "protect" the innocent, after they've already been violated, from what, exactly?  What it actually does is prevent the public exposure of predators. What it actually does is prevent the allerting of the general population to the fact that bad people target the innocent and unaware because it part of their M.O. Predators attack the young because there is less risk of injury. Predators are cowards.

        We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

        by hannah on Tue Mar 19, 2013 at 02:24:57 AM PDT

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        •  I'm not the right person to address this to, (3+ / 0-)
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          since I'm not the one making the argument you're questioning. I think there are valid points on both sides, and that the effect of such policies on crime reporting rates is an empirical question to which I do not have the answer. I have no firm opinion on the issue, although I do have an opinion on the hypocrisy displayed in several diaries about it.

          In this particular case, the only evidence I have for whether it is a kindness to the victim not to spread her name around any more widely is that she herself is not stepping forward to do so. But neither did she shrink from testifying in open court. With relatively little evidence, I conclude it's not something she wants people to do but that this insult pales in comparison to what she's already endured.

          You might want to weigh in here, where the question is met squarely:

          Comment re ID disclosure

          •  It's not a pressing curiosity. It's just (1+ / 0-)
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            something I wondered about ever since I was involved with children who'd been abused by relatives and parents. They certainly knew what had been done to them. Having it addressed in secret proceedings seemed to provide no benefit to the victims. Both the perps and incompetent prosecutors and social workers seemed to get more since their behavior was not exposed to public scrutiny.

            We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

            by hannah on Tue Mar 19, 2013 at 03:52:29 AM PDT

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        •  Her privacy is hers, not ours (5+ / 0-)

          Revealing her name without her permission is taking something else away from her that should be her exclusive right to control.

        •  Not giving the name protects the victim (4+ / 0-)
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          from being further victimized by hate mail and threats and stalking and worse by misogynists and idiots just like the ones who are currently attacking her for being raped and having the temerity to protest.   Having her name out there broadens the pool of attackers to the whole world.  

        •  Because it will be abused (0+ / 0-)

          By people not wishing her well, predators of another sort.

          Has already happened in the general public space with the negative blow-back and death threats, adding her ID to that would only give these assholes the means to direct them to her family personally and possibly worse when their home address became known (inevitable these days).

          What special value does knowing her name, verses just the facts of the situation, add?

          Wouldn't it be better for her to decide if to go public on her own terms if she wishes to do so?

          IOW, who has the right to control that information?

          What about my Daughter's future?

          by koNko on Tue Mar 19, 2013 at 09:48:51 PM PDT

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    •  Did you see the prosecutor with DeWine (3+ / 0-)

      at the news conference smack down Anonymous for putting so much more pressure on the victim?  I grant there was concern about the investigation, it was getting a lot of national attention and it would have been wise for them to give it more time.

      "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

      by Ginny in CO on Tue Mar 19, 2013 at 02:01:21 AM PDT

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    •  Yes, I'm naive (2+ / 0-)
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      I always expect a shred of decency from those of my species, no matter how often I'm disappointed in that hope.

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