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  •  Here's My "Libertarian" Argument! (2+ / 0-)
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    koNko, greengemini

    If you choose to ride a motorcycle without a helmet, you must first sign a document giving up your right to social security disability for your closed head injury.

    If you choose to stay in Key West when a hurricane is coming, we paint a yellow sign on your front door and you abrogate the right to have a first responder or Sean Penn come bail you out.

    And if you choose to sugar yourself into Type 2 diabetes, go for it...but before you do, you abrogate your right to any Medicare or insurance coverage for the condition or any of the accessory ailments it causes, including blindness and amputation of limbs. (BTW Type 2 diabetes is the second most costly disease in the country.)

    •  Because it's not a "right" (2+ / 0-)
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      betson08, koNko

      if the rest of us have to pay for the consequences.

      My only problem with soda taxes is that I'm not sure they would go to pay for the consequences of the sodas.

      •  It's only my right if you want to do it, too. (2+ / 0-)
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        Kimbeaux, MeToo

        Got it.

        There are SOOOOOO many decisions that you - yes you as in you personally - make every fricking day that affect other people.  And sometimes the rest of society will end up paying some portion of the cost.

        Do you eat meat?  You're increasing your chances of heart disease, so if you have a heart attack, you're on your own.  Do you work in a stressful job or have a bad relationship with your spouse or children?  You're increasing your chance of high blood pressure.  Do you work with lawn care products?  You're increasing your chance of cancer, so if you get it, you're on your own.  Do you ski?  Or play football or soccor?  You're increasing your chances of concussion and getting dementia in your old age.  So if you do, you're on your own.  Do you drive or ride in a car?  You're increasing your chances of being killed, so if you are, don't expect that your spouse or children will be entitled to any SS benefits or other help.

        That's the problem with "libertarians".  They seem capable of only thinking about themselves and everything exists in relation to themselves.  If it's a mistake they don't anticipate themselves making, then it's one that we should punish by not caring about the people who make it.  But if it's one they can see themselves making, all of a sudden, it's one that society should be concerned about and be sure to be there to take care of them.  It's such a childish way of seeing the world.

        "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

        by gustynpip on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 08:01:58 AM PDT

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    •  Of course. We don't want to help anyone who (7+ / 0-)

      makes poor decisions.  Because I'm sure you never have.  And if someone else does, and has the misfortune of it happening to be a decision that has a major impact on their lives, why the deserve living in misery forever.

      "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

      by gustynpip on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 07:14:10 AM PDT

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      •  I thought it was a helpful suggestion. (1+ / 0-)
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        corkys debt

        Make people think. Give them the information.

        What about my Daughter's future?

        by koNko on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 08:08:23 AM PDT

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        •  Yes, because we can't trust people to think on (0+ / 0-)

          their own.  Just like we should require women to view sonograms before having an abortion.   It's for their own good, really.  Really, it is.

          "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

          by gustynpip on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 08:10:51 AM PDT

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          •  actually most people can't be trusted to (0+ / 0-)

            think on their own.

            that's why they have friends and relatives or people they can consult to make a decision,  or maybe "enforce" a decision that should be made.

            they make poor decisions unless they have that kind of support network.

            many people don't.

            and the people that can make consistently good decisions on their own are generally going to be above average intelligence, and since not everybody can be above average, that means there are a lot of people who are going to make bad decisions.

            more importantly many people simply aren't aware of the ramifications of their decisions.

            not everyone is as smart as you are.

            big badda boom : GRB 090423

            by squarewheel on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 08:36:24 AM PDT

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          •  In many cases, we obviously cannot. (1+ / 0-)
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            greengemini

            Lots of people are addicted to the stuff and cannot think rationally or control themselves, these laws give them some help because they have to deliberately act to procure unhealthy quantities of the drug.

            BTW, I loved the false equivalency of your sonogram argument.

            No one is banning access to soft drinks, just regulating the amount available at one stop to discourage unhealthy over-consumption.

            If you really can't live without that massive sugar fix, you can guzzle the first one down and then stagger to the next 7-11 for the next hit.

            What about my Daughter's future?

            by koNko on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 08:41:33 AM PDT

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      •  It's not the decision...it's the policy (1+ / 0-)
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        greengemini

        When people insist they have the right to drive without seatbelts or have hurricane parties, they fly in the face of common sense. Bloomberg et al are not saying you can't eat the sugar, but when you have to buy two rather than finish one, you might think about it.

        Read carefully; we are talking about those who eat the most sugar being educated and perhaps paying a penny toward the costs of the treatment. No one is sending anyone to sugar jail.

    •  Regarding Hurricanes/Barrier Islands... (3+ / 0-)
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      orlbucfan, koNko, greengemini
      If you choose to stay in Key West when a hurricane is coming, we paint a yellow sign on your front door and you abrogate the right to have a first responder or Sean Penn come bail you out.
      The local police at Sunset Beach, NC did the rough equivalent when a hurricane warning/evacuation was in effect: they'd go around in a patrol car out on the island, street to street, and personally visited every house that appeared still occupied.  If you were a renter, you HAD to obey the evacuation order and leave.  OTOH if you were an owner, they wouldn't make you leave, but gave the plain warning: WE CLOSE THE BRIDGE AT 11:00AM (the old bridge was a swing bridge they locked in the same "closed" position used to allow ships to pass by through the inland waterway)...AND WE'LL NEITHER OPEN THE BRIDGE NOR COME TO RESCUE YOU IF YOU FIND YOURSELF IN DANGER FROM THE STORM...YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN."  The old bridge was replaced three or four years ago with a fixed high-rise bridge, but they still close and block access to the bridge both ways during periods where winds are expected to exceed 45mph, so you're still stuck out on the island with a refuse-to-rescue stance by local authorities if you ignore an evacuation warning.  AS IT SHOULD BE.
    •  Children can't be libertarians (2+ / 0-)
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      greengemini, corkys debt

      Because they aren't adults with the libertarian 'reason' you guys love to tout. So . . . what would a libertarian do about kids buying that swill and drinking themselves fat? Or do you care?

      "Societies strain harder and harder to sustain the decadent opulence of the ruling class, even as it destroys the foundations of productivity and wealth." — Chris Hedges

      by Crider on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 07:53:55 AM PDT

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      •  The child most likely has a parent or someone (0+ / 0-)

        else to help make those decisions.  And if they happen to have parents who don't care or make poor decisions themselves, I guarantee you there are bad decisions being made that are a whole lot more critical than a soda with too much sugar in it.

        "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

        by gustynpip on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 08:04:58 AM PDT

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    •  HANDS OFF MY OBAMACARE!!! (0+ / 0-)

      Comminust!

      What about my Daughter's future?

      by koNko on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 08:06:49 AM PDT

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    •  But, before you do that... (3+ / 0-)
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      a gilas girl, greengemini, MeToo

      you have to provide affordable alternatives to foods that contain gross amount of sugar and other sweeteners. Have you been in a supermarket lately?  It is a awash in foods toxic to diabetics. The cheaper the food, the worse it is for you. Even the stuff you would think would be healthy, like yogurt, has boatloads of HCFS in it. You quickly find out that it costs real money to eat healthy. That's was the biggest thing that I discovered when I syndrome X'ed about a decade ago.

      The other thing is that diabetes is not totally a life style choice like riding a motorcycle without a helmet. Part is genetic and part is environment. Genetic susceptibility to diabetes loads the gun, you pull the trigger. And, people don't always know whether the gun is loaded.

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