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  •  It's not the calories that are the issue, (5+ / 0-)
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    within reason. It's the sugar. We have no problem slapping higher and higher taxes on cigarettes, and that's fine with me. Sugar in these quantities is as addictive as nicotine and very threatening to one's health.

    We have all kinds of sensible nanny statism---seat belt and helmet laws, drinking while driving laws, etc. etc. The costs of some behaviors impacts the culture as a whole, comes out of all our pockets and effects the society we live in.  

    If by consensus we decide to ask for increased taxes from those who wish to indulge, then that seems sensible to me.

    "A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues." Theodore Roosevelt.

    by StellaRay on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 07:31:54 AM PDT

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    •  I don't believe there was any consensus on (0+ / 0-)

      this one, though, do you?  

      "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

      by gustynpip on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 08:15:20 AM PDT

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      •  No, not there on the sugar thing. (3+ / 0-)
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        But we used to not be there on the tobacco thing either.  Which is why the discussion is important. These things take a long time to evolve.

        "A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues." Theodore Roosevelt.

        by StellaRay on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 10:17:29 AM PDT

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        •  Using cigarettes as similar is not accurate. (0+ / 0-)

          Cigarette smoke directly affects others than those who chose to use it.  And the majority of people prefer not being directly affected by someone else's choices.  Plus, there was a hell of a lot of education that happened before there was an attempt to change things by law.

          I'll agree there needs to be more education on this issue.  But banning something just doesn't work.  Even cigarettes still aren't banned.  People get to smoke all they want - they just don't get to do it around other people.  No laws on sizes of cigarettes or how many a person can buy at once.

          If this is actually geared to kids, as some people are claiming, then do like they did long ago with cigarettes and make it illegal to sell soda to kids.  Banning something simply doesn't work.

          "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

          by gustynpip on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 11:10:10 AM PDT

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          •  Yes and no. (1+ / 0-)
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            Agreed that cigarette smoke directly affects others, unlike sucking down a quart of sugar, and that's where the smoking laws have been laid down.  However, it is interesting to note that under the ACA, you will pay more if you're a smoker as it allows insurance companies to up their rate for smokers.

            So can they up their rates if you have a sugar addiction, or an alcohol addiction? All these things are very bad for your health and cause big complications that cost everybody money. This is how the cigarette issue IS like the sugar issue. High taxes on cigarettes is an outcome of that, and I think something to consider for these super sugar drinks as well.

            And while it is true that cigarettes have not been banned, this law does not ban soft drinks per say either.  You can still go to the grocery store, buy yourself a couple of six packs of Mountain dew and drink them all in one afternoon.

            Not sure how I feel about the NY law. But I certainly think the discussion is good. American food industries have been seeding sugar into almost everything we eat. There's a book out on this right now, can't think of the name of it, darn it, but I've seen the author interviewed a couple of times and what he has to say is not pretty.

            I guess rather than banning it, I'd go for taxing it more and educating more.

            "A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues." Theodore Roosevelt.

            by StellaRay on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 02:37:15 PM PDT

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    •  It is a strange culture (5+ / 0-)

      that defines "Freedom" as "free" from rules and regulations that promote greater collective health and well-being, don't you think?

      The evolution of the commonsense understanding of "freedom" would be an interesting analysis I think.

      Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

      by a gilas girl on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 08:59:24 AM PDT

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