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  •  It is having a national effect (6+ / 0-)

    because people are thinking about it and looking at soda pop with a more critical eye.

    "Societies strain harder and harder to sustain the decadent opulence of the ruling class, even as it destroys the foundations of productivity and wealth." — Chris Hedges

    by Crider on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 07:51:11 AM PDT

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    •  It's not the stupid law that started the (3+ / 0-)
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      conversation.  Wasting time arguing about whether the law is a good one or a bad one is taking attention away from the real issues.

      The real issues being things like improving people's lives so they don't have to work 2 or 3 jobs; providing child care so kids aren't on their own after school; providing substantial government subsidies to industries that make unhealthy food, but none for those that grow and distribute healthy ones.

      Arguing about whether a law as silly and pointless as this one should or should not exist is a distraction from the conversation that should be taking place.

      "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

      by gustynpip on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 08:18:49 AM PDT

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    •  Really? Okay I teach college kids and I can tell (0+ / 0-)

      you that not a day goes by that at least 90 percent of them  walk in with either a Starbucks Mocha Frappuccino, a couple of Red Bulls, a Sonic Happy Hour Slushie, bottles of Coke or carting their own home made version of any of the above.....and all the while using it to wash down....honey buns, Cheetos, candy bars, cupcakes, M&M's, pizza rolls, or fast food value menu crap.

      I see no change at all.

      •  But you are (0+ / 0-)

        writing about the subject --at least--

        "Societies strain harder and harder to sustain the decadent opulence of the ruling class, even as it destroys the foundations of productivity and wealth." — Chris Hedges

        by Crider on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 08:32:23 AM PDT

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        •  It is a dumb, stupid law that will do nothing but (1+ / 0-)
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          add fodder to the "nanny state, business killing" meme that will hurt other ideas and other valuable laws....in the eyes of the voting public.

          If this is the battle we want to fight, then do it right.  Use education, give help to the poor so they can buy better food and drinks, and above all, make their own personal choice a choice they want to make rather than a forced one.

          •  It is not a dumb, stupid law... (3+ / 0-)
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            It is perhaps, as the first law, an easy target, but that's not the same thing at all.

            Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

            by a gilas girl on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 09:03:27 AM PDT

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            •  No, it is a dumb, stupid law. (0+ / 0-)
            •  Calif. had snack tax over 20 years ago (1+ / 0-)
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              Anything that puts more control in the cultural memory of the citizen is a good thing- the problem is, as I see it that we should not have to be regulated on this issue at all. Food should be honest, unmodified, unadulterated food, and not a factory product. Farmers should be living in symbiosis with the land and not dictated by Monsanto and ADM, etc. Citizens should be protected by the FDA, the USDA, and the Agriculture departments, not pawns in the game of dominion over foodstuffs. Congress should have mandatory in-house training sessions where real scientists, real engineers, real philosophers, etc. present actual facts. Imagine if we had real engineers talk about he importance of infrastructure? Real farmers talk about the importance of soil science...? These are the things that Congress should understand- what they understand now is a hodge-podge of divided loyalties and cash.

              The day is coming when a single carrot, freshly observed, will set off a revolution. Paul Cezanne

              by MeToo on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 12:49:40 PM PDT

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              •  Hey, I remember that (1+ / 0-)
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                I've always lived in California, so I remember the snack tax. I went googling about it and found a ballot post-mortem in the LA Times which described the whole rise and fall of the snack tax.

                And I also found the text of then Proposition 163, which is how the tax was overturned. I was blown away, because it not only ended the snack tax, it also amended the friggin' California Constitution to forbid ever having a snack tax again. The constitutional amendment even forbids counties and municipalities from taxing 'candy, bottled water, and snack foods.' Crazy.

                "Societies strain harder and harder to sustain the decadent opulence of the ruling class, even as it destroys the foundations of productivity and wealth." — Chris Hedges

                by Crider on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 01:20:58 PM PDT

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      •  If you teach college students... (2+ / 0-)
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        then you should have some idea about infrastructure and about impacts: they aren't always going to show up immediately at the individual consumer level.

        And they aren't always the primary objective.

        Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

        by a gilas girl on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 09:02:49 AM PDT

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