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  •  How can Walker... (9+ / 0-)

    Have a 50% approval rating?  WTF is wrong with Wisconsin?

    'Guns don't kill people, video games do - paraphrased from Lamar Alexander (Sen-R-TN)'

    by RichM on Tue Mar 19, 2013 at 05:59:16 PM PDT

    •  A lot of white rural and suburban areas. (4+ / 0-)
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      •  Are your suburban voters in WI different than (3+ / 0-)
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        suburban voters in PA. Granted Philly suburbs are heavily populated as are Pittsburgh suburbs but here our suburban voters tend to moderates overall rather than conservatives.

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        by wishingwell on Tue Mar 19, 2013 at 06:32:48 PM PDT

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        •  Philadelphia and Pittsburgh (2+ / 0-)
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          are bigger than Milwaukee and Madison

        •  The counties surrounding (3+ / 0-)

          Milwaukee are incredibly RW as are many Republicans around the state.  Hate radio saturates our state and usually listeners have a choice of stations even in rural areas.  Media here is corporate, lazy and Republican coddling.

          While the Walker/GOP overreach in 2011 woke up many of the moderates, the extremists remain.

          There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

          by Puddytat on Tue Mar 19, 2013 at 09:15:38 PM PDT

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        •  Milwaukee suburbs (4+ / 0-)

          Suburban Milwaukee people are yellow dog Republicans, if you will. Walker is a Republican. It doesn't matter to them if he's a moderate, as Tommy Thompson was, or if he's a snarling fascist tool. He's got the R after his name.

          The Bush Family: 0 for 4 in Wisconsin

          by Korkenzieher on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 06:55:13 AM PDT

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          •  That is a shame as even some of the Scranton (1+ / 0-)
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            suburbs here in PA are blue collar union Democrats.
            Now the suburbs of Philly and Pittsburgh are often white collar college graduates and of course like someone said above, more heavily populated than the suburbs of Wisconsin.

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            by wishingwell on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 09:06:02 AM PDT

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            •  It depends where you are (3+ / 0-)
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              Suburbs within Milwaukee County, including the one in which I live, are affluent but largely Democratic. Outside Milwaukee County, it's a curious mixture of McMansion-dwelling nouveau riche and farmers, and they're Republicans. Milwaukee is smaller than Philadelphia and a bit smaller than Pittsburgh, so the urban, blue-collar Democratic footprint is a bit smaller. Also, since our state is much smaller in population than Pennsylvania, the exurban Republicans we have carry more political power as a percentage of popular vote than they might in Pennsylvania.

              Most of the rest of the state is pretty mixed. Madison is very liberal, probably the most liberal place in the Midwest. The Fox Valley, including Green Bay, is purple. The area near Lake Superior is blue, but the North Woods just to the south of there are red, which accounts for Sean Duffy's presence in Congress. The western part of the state is purple, but their congressman is a moderate Dem named Ron Kind. Part of Paul Ryan's district is blue, but just enough of it is red.

              Over all, the state is, as is often said, purple. Dems win here in presidential years because the urban vote in Milwaukee shows up. Republicans win in off-presidential years, including 2010, when Milwaukee doesn't vote. That's really the only variable from one election to the next. Milwaukee moves us to bluish purple one election, and stays home and moves us to reddish purple for the next election. Unfortunately gubernatorial elections here are in even years when there is no presidential election. If that weren't the case, if Milwaukee always voted even in presidential years,  the nation would never have heard of Scott Walker and Ron Johnson.

              It's also worth mentioning that Walker and Johnson both concealed their true political identities until it was too late. They ran as reasonable, Tommy Thompson-like moderates. Now that it's too late, they're showing their true colors. People here were deceived, and that's why I have no patience with people who yell "what's wrong with you, Wisconsin?" We were lied to, plain and simple. I knew who Scott Walker was, since I live in his county. But I had no idea how big a loony Ron Johnson was until he joined the Incredibly Stoopid Caucus on Capitol Hill.

              The Bush Family: 0 for 4 in Wisconsin

              by Korkenzieher on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 09:45:38 AM PDT

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              •  People were absolutely shocked (2+ / 0-)
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                at Johnsons post election speech when he claimed it as a "victory for the Tea Party".  Media around the state helped him hide his true colors during the campaign, never really questioned him, and never brought up his support for pediphilic priests.

                Nice summary of the make up of our state.  I would add, however, that the public exposure of Paul Ryan, which our media never has done, led him to lose his home town and "win" with the smallest margin ever.  

                If folks get the information, they'll make better choices.  However, between the campaign ads, outside ads, and Republican loving media, they're not getting good information.

                There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

                by Puddytat on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 10:12:59 AM PDT

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                •  Profit motive (3+ / 0-)
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                  Absolutely agree with your assessment of the media here. The problem, really, is that Wisconsin is a purple state, split right down the middle. If the Journal-Sentinel prints the unvarnished truth, they'll lose half their readers....and they can't really spare any of their few remaining readers. If they side with the delusional types over in Tea Party Land, I'll stop buying the paper no matter how good their Brewers and Packers and Badgers coverage is. The problem is much the same with TV. Don't push the envelope, don't stir the pot, because of ratings and revenue. Charlie Sykes doesn't have that problem. Radio programming is a niche market anyway, and they're happy to have anyone listening.

                  We were actually better informed, in some ways, 40 years ago, when we had the Democrats at the Journal, the Republicans at the Sentinel, Walter Cronkite on TV, and the Fairness Doctrine guiding broadcast media.

                  The Bush Family: 0 for 4 in Wisconsin

                  by Korkenzieher on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 10:50:40 AM PDT

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                  •  JS and WSJ have taken sides (3+ / 0-)
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                    They're at best Republican lite, but normally very supportive of anything GOP.  It cn easily be seen because neither of them, or the other news media, reported on Walkers record or called out RoJos "self-made businessman" BS.

                    Several people injured and 1 man killed when Walkers lack of maintainence caused chunks of concrete to fall on them at the O'Donnel parking structure.  Remember reading about that tie in?  No, you didn't.  Nor did it become an issue during the campaign.

                    Remember reading about Walkers 8 month delay in the annual Milwaukee County  budget report in 2010 when he was running for Governor?  No?  Don't be surprised.  He was hiding a HUGE deficit which only grew larger because the report was delayed until after the election and the County Board couldn't mitigate it.  JS never said a peep.

                    Those are just 2 examples out of many.  They've taken sides.

                    There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

                    by Puddytat on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 11:15:06 AM PDT

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                  •  Although it does have a good history of being a (1+ / 0-)
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                    blue state as far as the Presidential races are concerned.  

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                    by wishingwell on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 03:42:20 PM PDT

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              •  Thanks for this information as it helps those of (1+ / 0-)
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                us not living in Wisconsin to understand it better.

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                by wishingwell on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 03:41:26 PM PDT

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      •  Who I'm guessing used to vote reliably Dem (6+ / 0-)

        until the GOP turned them around in the post-Vietnam/Civil Rights era, on race, patriotism, economic decline and cultural issues, exploiting their cultural and social conservatism and xenophobia. No different from what they've done in similar states with a high agrarian and declining industrial makeup.

        "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

        by kovie on Tue Mar 19, 2013 at 06:34:04 PM PDT

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