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  •  OK---I'll say it: (13+ / 0-)

    The WI Democratic Party is rather lacking in leadership and has been for several years.  And it is showing in the way we lost the recall, lost the State Senate in November, etc.  This state has an army of volunteers who are ready, willing and able to get Dems elected and we appear to be wandering in the wilderness.  There appear to be NO plans in place for going after Repubs via the media (yes, the media is LAME but not using them at all is not the way to win).  My suspicion is that the Dem Party itself is splintered and not cohesive at the top levels.  But that is my suspicion ONLY.  I'm not claiming it as fact.

    "A voice is heard in Ramah, weeping and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because they are no more." - from the prophet Jeremiah

    by 3goldens on Tue Mar 19, 2013 at 06:58:17 PM PDT

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    •  I suspect that your suspicion is spot-on (6+ / 0-)

      The Dem leadership is composed of weak go along to get along hacks with no real leadership skills, and self-interested opportunists willing to sell out the party for personal gain. What few genuine liberals who can fight and manage to rise to the leadership are marginalized and prevented from having real power. This is true on the national, state and local level. The party has become corrupted by money and ego, and is run by moral dwarfs.

      The only solution I see is for a grass-roots effort to take back the party, from the bottom up, the way conservatives did with the GOP. Of course, they had the backing of, and were arguably always the puppets of, big money, while big money will absolutely do all it can to defeat any such effort. But long odds are no excuse, because I literally see no other way past this. I don't believe that third parties are the way, at least not on the left. I do fear them on the right, especially if the economy tanks again, which it's now likely to.

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Tue Mar 19, 2013 at 07:41:59 PM PDT

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      •  Right now I'm having a hard time (4+ / 0-)
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        deciding whether it's sheer incompetence or political hackery or some combination of those at the state level here.  Whatever is the cause, though, you're absolutely right about the only situation being for the grass-roots to take back the State Dem Party here.  Message to Dem leadership needs to be:  lead, follow, or get out of the way.

        Couldn't agree with you more about fearing a third party on the Right.  That's break-out-in-a-cold-sweat fear.  

        "A voice is heard in Ramah, weeping and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because they are no more." - from the prophet Jeremiah

        by 3goldens on Tue Mar 19, 2013 at 08:05:41 PM PDT

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        •  What's worse about a 3rd party on the right (3+ / 0-)
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          is that if we do something as stupid as put our energies into doing the same thing on the left, we'll so weaken the Democratic party that it'll be far easier for a RW 3rd party to win. The history of LW vs. RW 3rd parties in countries with weak centers is not an encouraging one.

          We on the left have a party. We just need to assert greater power within it. I don't think we can truly take it over as there will never be enough committed lefties who are not 3rd party to do that. But we can attain enough power within it to lessen the power of the corporatists who currently control it and move it to the left, no different from the cons who did this to the GOP despite there still being many corporatists in it too.

          We don't have a coalition-based parliamentary system between parties in the US, but we do have one WITHIN parties, where various factions come together as one for external purposes but fight it out for control internally. Time to make use of that reality instead of just carping from the sidelines or trying to elect people we think are progressive but are really just pretending to be to get our support, only to forget us after winning. I.e. electing actual progressives, like Warren, not fake ones, like, er...you don't want me to start a pie fight, do you?

          :-)

          "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

          by kovie on Tue Mar 19, 2013 at 08:27:10 PM PDT

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    •  I was rather disappointed (3+ / 0-)
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      To have to be asked by a candidate friend of mine to run the numbers of how she did relative to candidates for other offices in the wards of the same district.

      It'd be a big task, but not a huge one (maybe a day or two), to do that centrally for the entire state.  It should be a basic bit of analysis that the state-level party does so they can begin to figure out which GotV and publicity strategies by different candidates for different offices worked best.

      Fake candidates nominated by the GOP for the recalls: 6 out of 7. Fake signatures on the recall petitions: 4 out of 1,860,283.

      by GeoffT on Tue Mar 19, 2013 at 08:24:22 PM PDT

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    •  I agree with that (2+ / 0-)
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      New leadership and more action are needed.  The fact that We Are Wisconsin and other groups that came out of the protests and recalls get more done than the DPW should be embarrassing to them.  

      There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

      by Puddytat on Tue Mar 19, 2013 at 09:20:14 PM PDT

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