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  •  Democrats are generally afraid. (3+ / 0-)
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    Generally, that is the curse of the Democrat. Being perpetually afraid.

    •  So why aren't we using that against them? (1+ / 0-)
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      If they're afraid of the GOP, far right, big money, corporations, the media, and puppies, why can't the left do some frightening of its own, the way the tea party's doing to the GOP? Oh, right, it might jeopardize our chances in 2014...

      This is why we're not getting anything done. They don't fear us, and only us.

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 02:23:45 PM PDT

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      •  Cuz the left doesn't have the numbers. (3+ / 0-)
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        Very rare you'll find enough lefty votes to unseat a Democratic incumbent. It happens, but its rare. However that is changing slowly but surely. It will take a lot of time and effort over a great many years to grow and expand the political left to the point where it is as heavy a political force as similar organizations on the right.

        And then when we do mobilize, we do it over issues rather than power. You can just look at the Tea Party and Occupy movements as a case study in how the left and right gain and apply power.

        The trend is in the left's favor however. Cuz the left is persuading minds and that almost always leads to power in the end.

        •  On issues, we have the numbers (1+ / 0-)
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          In terms of being organized, I agree that we don't. And much of the left is, IMO, wasting its time and energy on 3rd parties or action outside the political process. Nothing gets done here outside that process, like it or not. The far right gets that, perhaps the only thing it gets. The left doesn't.

          A political system such as ours only works for people who understand that only by organizing to effectively influence members of the appropriate party (and sometimes both) can you get anything done. Electing more AND better Dems is nice, but not enough. How we influence them AFTER they win is just as if not more important. What we don't get is that politicians vote out of self-interest or in response to effective pressure as often as they do out of conviction, and probably even more often the longer they're in office. Which makes being able to effectively pressure pols the most important skill we need to learn--and use.

          Which we're not doing now.

          "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

          by kovie on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 03:20:03 PM PDT

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      •  No, no, No!!! (0+ / 0-)

        We must win Presidential elections!!

        that is all. after that "it's all good".

        errrrrrrr....

        "The 1% don't want SOLUTIONS; they've worked very hard the last four decades to get conditions the way they are now".

        by Superpole on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 04:04:46 PM PDT

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    •  They weren't afraid in 1994. (0+ / 0-)

      Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

      by FrankRose on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 06:27:36 PM PDT

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      •  Yeah, funny how 6 years of total GOP control (0+ / 0-)

        and another 4 years to pack courts, redraw district lines and leverage two wars into marketing guns to Joe and Jane 6-Pack changes things.

        Who wudda thunk it?

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