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  •  no problem (1+ / 0-)
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    Just curious about it.

    So what happens to the gun then?

    As an aside--instead of an assault rifle ban, I'd prefer to see all semi-auto rifles with a detachable box magazine be regulated under the same terms as Class 3 full-autos are.  Everyone can buy as many as your little prepper heart desires, as long as you get your license and pay the taxes. And document every transfer so we always know where the gun is and who owns it (so if it turns up in a bank robbery we know who to go talk to).

    •  Obviously, enforcing this (0+ / 0-)

      with guns not purchased and made recently will be a problem, and there's going to be a large percentage of guns that will never be registered, and I am absolutely opposed to going into peoples' homes to find out if they have unregistered guns unless upon probable cause and armed with a warrant.

      On the other hand, if you're found (through lawful means) to have an unregistered gun, you have to register it, with maybe a fine if it's clear that you knew you had it and it wasn't just legitimate oversight, e.g. you inherited in a will and thus knew you received it.

      Just because this introduces logistical problems and costs and inconveniences and won't be 100% effective doesn't mean it's not worth it if it can be shown to be effective. I just want to save lives. If that inconveniences some gun owners, I'm ok with that.

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 04:09:28 PM PDT

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      •  absolutely (0+ / 0-)

        Couldn't agree more.

        Over time, the guns that are registered will stay registered (and not disappear into the illegal gun market), and the guns that are not registered will, as they are found, either be registered, or be destroyed.

        Will it register 100% of all guns?  Nope.  But I'll take 80% or 90% or whatever.  (shrug)

        •  Haven't most if not all of the mass shootings (1+ / 0-)
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          been done with legally purchased and owned guns, which if registration happens would mean that they'd have been registered? Add to that universal background checks (which include all members of one's household), and quite a few of those shootings likely wouldn't have happened.

          "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

          by kovie on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 04:25:38 PM PDT

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          •  as far as mass shootings, I think the regulation (2+ / 0-)
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            of ammo clips would be more helpful there.

            But as I noted elsewhere, I'm fully in favor of treating all semi-auto rifles with detachable box magazines as Class 3 weapons.

            Hunting rifles would be entirely unaffected, and licensed gun ranges could still allow people to shoot AR-15's all the livelong day, just as they currently do with full-auto machine guns. And since we already HAVE had regulation on Class 3 weapons since the thirties, there's no Constitutional issue to raise either.

            The posse will still weep and whine and stamp their feet and yell "you can't tell us what to do !!!!" anyway, though. (shrug)

          •  Plenty of murder suicides and so-called (0+ / 0-)

            "accidental" shootings happen with legally purchased guns.

            "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

            by LilithGardener on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 06:35:27 PM PDT

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            •  That's where background checks (1+ / 0-)
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              for mental illness, training and registration come in, to at least try to decrease these tragedies, even if they obviously can't stop them completely.

              "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

              by kovie on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 07:13:03 PM PDT

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    •  Restricted Items can be held in trust. (0+ / 0-)

      Each member of the trust has equal access to the items, so if one member of the trust passes away, the access of the remaining members is not affected.

      If all members of the trust pass away, the trust maintains control of the items until a person willed them can complete the requirements to become a member of the trust.

      I have three friends who own restricted items, and they all hold them in trust for this reason. Must easier to transfer, sell or gift them if they are controlled by a law firm rather than an individual.

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