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  •  We're going to need a hell of a lot more than (18+ / 0-)

    Presidential candidates.  The degree to which our Party has focused on the White House since the 1980's while ignoring most of the rest of government (and, increasingly, governance) has been a major problem.

    That said, I don't consider either Clinton to be remotely Progressive.  I firmly believe that the political conditions that would allow Hillary Clinton to win the general would also allow much better candidates to win the general.

    I don't see a hairs breadth of difference in real political positions between Clinton and Obama (although I thought I did five and half years ago).

    It's DLC Vrs. New Democrat.

    I don't hold out a lot of hope for our Presidential chances in 2016 without massive change in our Party or absolutely staggering stupidity (I won't rule it out) on the part of the Republicans.  

    income gains to the top 1% from 2009 to 2011 were 121% of all income increases. How did that happen? Incomes to the bottom 99% fell by 0.4%

    by JesseCW on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 07:43:52 PM PDT

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    •  Right, here's my take (5+ / 0-)

      If we elect a Democrat to the Presidency but have Republican control of local and state governments, as well as half the Congress and the Supreme Court, not to mention lower courts, school boards, etc., then we're screwed. Because even though the  Presidency has the highest visibility, the entire Executive Branch is still just one third of the government; The President really doesn't have as much power as we imagine. However, everyone blames the party holding the Presidency when things go wrong, and votes the other Party in. Then Republicans control everything.
      Was that clear as mud?

      To keep our faces turned toward change, and behave as free spirits in the presence of fate--that is strength undefeatable. (Helen Keller)

      by kareylou on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 08:26:59 PM PDT

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      •  The White House unfortunately holds a lot more (3+ / 0-)
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        than a third of the power today.  There are few restraints left on the Imperial Presidency.

        However, we're not going to get a lot better viable candidates for the White House unless we get a lot better people in other offices.  The Party Machine plays a much bigger role in determining who is allowed to run for what offices than the voters do.

        To change that machine, we have to change who's running it.

        income gains to the top 1% from 2009 to 2011 were 121% of all income increases. How did that happen? Incomes to the bottom 99% fell by 0.4%

        by JesseCW on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 08:55:19 PM PDT

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        •  how? (0+ / 0-)

          To keep our faces turned toward change, and behave as free spirits in the presence of fate--that is strength undefeatable. (Helen Keller)

          by kareylou on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 09:23:19 PM PDT

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          •  When was the last time you went to a (5+ / 0-)

            local party meeting?

            And how many like minded registered democrats do you think you could get to show up and vote with you?

            This is a question for everyone out there right now that's pissed at the party. If you want a different party then GOTV to party meetings. Identify potential progressive leaders, yourself even, and push them up. Grass roots.

            •  Point well taken. Totally agree. (1+ / 0-)
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              I am involved in my local party, and I live in a little blue dot in the middle of red Virginia. I have stepped away thus far in 2013 to address some major personal health/financial/life issues, but you are absolutely right.
              I just wasn't sure what you meant exactly by "Party Machine" and if there was some action other than what I was already doing that you were advocating.
              Of course the person who wrote Party Machine and you are two different people, so you could have different things in mind.

              To keep our faces turned toward change, and behave as free spirits in the presence of fate--that is strength undefeatable. (Helen Keller)

              by kareylou on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 07:27:29 AM PDT

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    •  Which is just basically .... (3+ / 0-)
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      It's DLC Vs. New Democrat.

      a re-branding .. they are essentially the same

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