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  •  Ah yes. Reinvention by interview. (8+ / 0-)

    In the Paris of the twenties did you have any sense of “group feeling” with other writers and artists?


    No. There was no group feeling. We had respect for each other. I respected a lot of painters, some of my own age, others older—Gris, Picasso, Braque, Monet (who was still alive then)—and a few writers: Joyce, Ezra, the good of Stein . . . .

    Of course you didn't, because you were so eager for approval (this shows up in Stein's writing) that nobody wanted to give it to you.

    I had a feeling this was an interview from the late 50s or early 60s. Papa Hemingway at this point didn't want to remember that Stein liked Thornton Wilder better than she liked him, and Plimpton obviously didn't know this or he wouldn't have referred to Wilder in the interview and Hemingway wouldn't have had to brush him off when he did.

    That was fun! Worth waiting for too!

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    by Dave in Northridge on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 07:45:29 PM PDT

    •  Yes, he had a very big ego to support, and a chip (10+ / 0-)

      on his shoulder.

      Certainly, the smallest thing about Hemingway was how he treated many of his friends and lovers. Besides Stein, he was hard on Faulkner, but he was meanest to Fitzgerald.

      From a review of HEMINGWAY VS. FITZGERALD, The Rise and Fall of a Literary Friendship:

      Once again we are told the story of how Fitzgerald helped the young Hemingway, acting as his agent and advocate and performing some crucial editing on ''The Sun Also Rises.'' And once again we are told the story of how Hemingway paid Fitzgerald back by belittling him to mutual friends and creating a snide, condescending (and probably fictionalized) portrait of him in ''A Moveable Feast.''

      Hemingway, who ''could ill abide being beholden to anyone,'' clearly resented Fitzgerald's help, and in this book, as in many others, he receives the bulk of the blame for the friendship's demise. He emerges from these pages as an ingrate and bully, a megalomaniac who projected his own insecurities onto those closest to him and who believed he needed to reject friends and lovers before they could reject him. Fitzgerald, in contrast, comes across as a well-meaning but annoying fellow who hero-worshiped the wrong people, and who consistently sabotaged himself by getting drunk and behaving like a fool. . . .

      Hemingway was condescending about Fitzgerald's work and mocked his former friend as a coward, a lap dog to the rich and a henpecked husband in thrall to a manipulative woman. He likened Fitzgerald to a dying butterfly, a glass-jawed boxer and an unguided missile crashing to earth on a ''very steep trajectory.''

      Fitzgerald was much milder in return. He did say that ''Ernest would always give a helping hand to a man on a ledge a little higher up.''

      "Every man has a right to utter what he thinks truth" Samuel Johnson

      by Brecht on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 08:25:41 PM PDT

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      •  That Summer in Paris (7+ / 0-)

        Morley Callaghan was a Canadian writer who knew Hemingway from the Toronto Star and spent some time in Paris during the expatriate period.  His recollection of those times, That Summer in Paris, is a fine book with another view of Hemingway and Fitzgerald.  

        Callaghan's novels and stories are also well worth reading.

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        by gmoke on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 10:30:38 PM PDT

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