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  •  And... do not get dogs... (10+ / 0-)

    ... whose need to work and be occupied is so ingrained into their DNA they can't be left alone all day while owners are at work.  It literally drives them insane.  It's cruel to the dog to do that to them and then punish them for something that is the owner's bad choice.

    If you want a city dog who can be left alone all day to do basically nothing, then get a small breed who fulfills that description.  Better yet, don't get a dog at all if you live in a city (unless you work at home and can pay attention to the dog).  Wait until you retire and/or move to the country.

    Big or medium-sized dogs (herding breeds, work dogs, lifesavers, hunters or retrievers, etc.) need to run or exercise or work on large tracts of land (or a very, very, very large lawn) and DO something until they're tired out at the end of a day and will then sleep.  Ditto a few small breeds like Corgis (herders), Dachshunds (bred to go after badgers), and terriers (bred to go after rats and other small farm vermin) need something to do.  Certain dogs are bred to be working dogs, and without something to occupy them, chaos (and neurotic insanity) ensues.

    Dogs are very intelligent beings who need to know their place in their family pack (human family if there's no other animal around).  If there isn't a certain structure to their lives, along with a lot of interaction from their family pack, they go bonkers.

    I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

    by NonnyO on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 04:37:31 PM PDT

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    •  For care free dog maintenance, I recommend a chow. (2+ / 0-)
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      They are the closest thing to a cast-iron lawn dog. They would rather die than shit in front of you and they lie around all day and all night. Their main problem is that when they break from their cast-iron lawn dog persona it is to bite someone. Oh well no one is perfect.

      Force is the midwife of every old society pregnant with a new one. Marx

      by Marihilda on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 05:17:17 PM PDT

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    •  You sound like you know what you're talking about (3+ / 0-)
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      I've a question you may have an answer to. I brought my schnoodle Frances (poodle/schnauzer) home when she was 8 weeks old to the day. I was talking care of my Mom at home at the time, and so for the last 6 years Franny and I have been more or less glued to each other everyday, all day.

      For a long time I used both a desktop computer and a laptop, but when I brought Frances into my life, I abandoned the desktop altogether and began using the laptop almost exclusively. Why? because Franny couldn't stand not being able to be close when I was sitting at my desk. On the laptop, however--with both of us sitting on the sofa--she could curl up next to me (or half on and half off of me) and that was fine. I could read dailykos or whatever until my heart's content. She'd snuggle close and go to sleep.

      Now things are changing. Drastically. First of all, I think very soon I'm going to be away from home from about 5am to 11pm or noon. Franny will be alone. I have no idea how she's going to behave, being alone all that time--and this is not merely for a day or two, but on an ongoing basis, at least three days a week, indefinitely. She's not super destructive, but she does occasionally get into things--it's never any big deal though. What I'm primarily worried about is her becoming insupportably lonely and crying, barking, and possibly howling all day. I'm concerned about her emotional & psychological well-being. She's an incurable mama's girl. Everyone who knows us says so.

      Second, when I am home, I'm going to need to be at my desk, working on the desktop computer for hours at a stretch; for I'm going to be telecommuting part time. But Frances whines and barks and runs around like she's got a burr in her saddle if I sit at my desk for more than 10 minutes, and won't stop until I pick her up, play with her, take her for a walk, or snuggle with her on the sofa. The cycle repeats the instant I return to my desk.

      Moreover, she hasn't spent much time (virtually no time, really) in her crate, so on those rare occasions when she has had to be crated, well ... she has had a bit of a meltdown, scratching at the walls and the gate, howling, whining. It is her least favorite thing in the world, the crate.

      Ugh! Am I hosed or what? I've got just 10 days before these changes kick in. I'm probably going to wind up needing to get a professional trainer in here, huh. What do you think? Thanks in advance for any guidance, NonnyO. ;)

      God bless our tinfoil hearts.

      by aitchdee on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 06:13:12 PM PDT

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      •  I don't know if this can (4+ / 0-)
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        work out for you, but can you take your dog in the car?  
        My dawg only knew me being home.
        2 days after I had to put my other dog down, I got a job.
        Mine barked for 4 hrs straight. I lived in a duplex.
        So I started taking her to work with me and spent my breaks and lunch with her.
        She would rather have sat in the car for 8 hrs then be alone.
        Or family?  
        It will turn her world upside down.
        Good luck.

        Gitmo is a Concentration Camp. Not a Detention Center. Torture happens at Concentration Camps. Torture happens at Gitmo. How much further will US values fall? Where is YOUR outrage at what the United States does in OUR names?

        by snoopydawg on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 07:51:34 PM PDT

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        •  It might work in winter, snoopydawg (2+ / 0-)
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          But here in Sacramento where it starts to warm up markedly in spring--and gets downright desert hotsy-totsy in summer, not so much.

          However, should things get really hairy here--I mean if I find myself truly out of options--I could conceivably keep her in the car with the A/C blasting. It would cost a fortune, but still, it's an option that I'd probably never have ever thought of myself. I'm gonna tuck your idea into the Plan-B idea-file right now!

          Thanks again ;^)

          God bless our tinfoil hearts.

          by aitchdee on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 11:11:31 PM PDT

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          •  Totally understand (1+ / 0-)
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            I used to live in Modesto.
            I am in UT now and it gets hot in the summer, so in May I got her a companion.
            Is that option available?
            It sure helped my dog. She only barked for 5 minutes after I left.

            Gitmo is a Concentration Camp. Not a Detention Center. Torture happens at Concentration Camps. Torture happens at Gitmo. How much further will US values fall? Where is YOUR outrage at what the United States does in OUR names?

            by snoopydawg on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 11:10:52 AM PDT

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      •  I have another computer chair next (3+ / 0-)
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        to my desktop computer.  It's the cats chair and nobody sits in it.  You might want to try that with your dog.  If it's an issue of proximity, that might be a workable solution.

        There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

        by Puddytat on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 09:19:05 PM PDT

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        You might try getting another dog for a friend for her.  When one of my dogs died, the surviving one cried, wouldn't eat, and couldn't be alone without being miserable.  I adopted another dog much earlier than I would have after losing one, but it made her happy and I saved a life--wonderful guy that was about to be put to sleep in a shelter.  

        I work five days a week and also some evenings, but they have each other and do ok.  They are still glad when I come home, but they have their little "pack" when I am gone so I don't feel as guilty as I would if there was one of them there alone.  

        •  First let me say I'm sorry for your loss (3+ / 0-)
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          So glad to hear you were able to spare a rescue's life and get your own dog out of what clearly sounds like deep grief...all in one fell-swoop. Good moves!

          Having another dog around the house really would be ideal. And just recently I've begun thinking seriously about what sort of dog I might want to get--possibly an Airedale rescue like this one; Fineena put this thought in my head! For the moment, however, I have to be realistic, for I can scarcely afford to feed Frances alone, lol.

          However, all that is changing --and fast. My whole life is turning around--and very much for the better. So yeah, we may become a two-woozle  family sometime later this year. Thank you for the suggestion - it reinforces what I've long suspected ... and helps me further justify my desire for more canines!

          God bless our tinfoil hearts.

          by aitchdee on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 11:29:08 PM PDT

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      •  My family had... (2+ / 0-)
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        ... "The World's Best Kids' Dog" from when I was six in 1952 to when she was old, incontinent, almost deaf and blind in 1966.  She is why I know dogs that are of a certain size need space to run in the country.  She never left the property, knew the exact boundaries (how, I don't know; there was no fence for the whole 160 acres).  She slept inside, of course, because in northern MN the winter nights can get mighty cold.  She had her clean blankets and rug at the foot of my brother's bed.  Well, she slept inside except when she tackled a skunk during the summer and stunk.  Her bedding was moved outside and once she didn't stink any longer she slept back inside summer and winter.

        As an adult I remembered our childhood dog and opted for a cat in apartment living.  It's easier to keep a litterbox clean than to have to walk a dog.  And I worked all day, so no one was at home to let a dog in and out for potty breaks, and I was worried about barking, and cats are quieter.  We had a lovely kitty when I was younger, too, who let me dress him in doll clothes (just as I had done with our lovely dog the first day we got her as a puppy - I have a picture).

        We had other animals on the farm, but I'll limit myself to just the dog and cat now.

        You are your best buddy's "pack."  That's why she always wants to be with you.  It can't be emphasized enough that dogs are pack animals.  If they don't have other dogs around, they make humans their adopted 'pack.'

        For working at a regular desk PC, I'd recommend a chair of her very own right next to yours.  I did that for the old kitty I nursed for a year and four months before he crossed the rainbow bridge.  He wanted to be on my lap, there was no room because the keyboard tray covered my lap, so I pulled a chair up next to my desk chair, where I petted him, talked to him, or he contentedly laid there and slept.

        I concur with those who have suggested a companion.  A dog is a natural pack animal (being descended from wolves), they need family around and they need to know their position within that pack.  She will be terribly lonely when you aren't there..., and if you get a companion puppy to keep her occupied, her maternal instincts will probably kick in and she will train another dog to be in her pack.  Or, maybe she'll be jealous, at least at first.  Bring her with to pick out a puppy.  If not a pup, then maybe a cat.  See what she likes or which ones she interacts with.  I'd advise against another adult dog unless circumstances are just right because it's easier to put a pup as junior in the pack than another dog who might have been an alpha dog at some point.  Your dog treats you as alpha, and she's the next in line, so any other person or animal comes after her in precedence.  They have a definite pecking order.

        Or maybe you'll have to consider doggie day-care if there is such a facility in your community.  I know there is such a thing in large cities, but I'm not sure about small communities.  Obviously, you can't leave her in the car all day.  Hot temps in spring, summer, or fall would kill her, even with windows open for air, and you couldn't take the guilt trip that would cause.  Short of that, you'll have to see if the boss would let you bring your dog to work.

        We smile at the signs for the misbehaving signs above..., but really, we're laughing nervously and in guilt because we have inappropriately put our beloved dogs in untenable situations where they can't really cope because their humans aren't paying enough attention to them or keeping them occupied and out of mischief.

        Dogs are fascinating creatures.  They have a whole psychology all their own, plus they are as emotional as we are and they can read our emotions and body language so they "know" our moods and how we will act.  Raising a well-adjusted dog requires a lot of time and interaction and a person paying as much attention to the dog and its' body language and sounds as they would their own kids.

        Preview of Nature: Dogs That Changed the World
        http://www.pbs.org/...
        This video was online for a while, but I can only find two versions now, both dubbed in Russian.

        The Secret Life Of The Dog (Documentary) [58:35]
        http://www.youtube.com/...

        Nat'l. Geo: And Man Created Dog [1:31:23]
        http://www.youtube.com/...

        Understanding your dog is the key to understanding what she will need when you are away from home.  From your description, being away from you for long periods of time isn't something she would get used to.  She will have to be occupied one way or another, either with another animal or at doggie day care or at work with you (not in the car without you, however; that would just invite trouble).

        I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

        by NonnyO on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 11:43:32 PM PDT

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        •  I made that same chair next to her puter (2+ / 0-)
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          It works really well for my cats who can now have the proximity when they want it.  I found a desk chair which was going to be thrown out by a business when they got new furniture so the Cat Chair was the best price ever - free.

          I, too, opted for cats because food, water, toys, litterbox are all they need while I'm away.  I never knew day to day as a nurse whether or not I'd be forced to work another shift and not be able to get home.  A dog would have been unthinkable because there were times I worked 70-80 hour weeks.

          But they are very different creatures by their nature.  However, each pet has his and her own personality and give love unconditionally.  No wonder people who own pets feel better and actually live longer.

          There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

          by Puddytat on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 11:54:07 PM PDT

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        •  NonnyO, this is such a wonderful, comprehensive (1+ / 0-)
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          reply, I feel terrible that all I can do right now is say thank you and I'll get back to you with a longer, more pertinent reply a little later. I have suddenly fallen sick; I've busted out in a cold sweat and am nauseous as can be. This absolutely has to pass before tomorrow afternoon or I'm in trouble.

          You are most thoughtful, dear lady, and I owe you more than this ...

          Talk again soon,

          Harper

          God bless our tinfoil hearts.

          by aitchdee on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 10:56:18 AM PDT

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          •  I hope you get better very, very soon! (0+ / 0-)

            I must admit, I quite adore our furry family members and friends.  I was raised in a farming community, so it's necessary to be good to the animals who provide milk and/or meat, and/or labor (like horses who pull wagons or sleds).  Those who mistreat animals of any kind are looked upon with contempt.  With cold winters, barns are often built as snugly as houses and protect animals from the freezing temps while providing a place to feed them, and milk the ones who have calved.

            Your furry family member loves you and you love her, that's obvious.  I know you would never do anything to hurt her in any way, shape, or form, which is why you're worried about leaving her alone while you're at work.  There are ways around that that will be beneficial to her and to you.

            Best Wishes....

            I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

            by NonnyO on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 02:20:36 PM PDT

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