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  •  Got it (4+ / 0-)
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    Went to Google's cached pages:

    I think it is worth looking at the proposal referenced in the article for improving the SNAP program: restricting SNAP benefits to purchase of beans, grains, fruits, and vegetables. Lane suggests adding fish and lean meats. I think I would add eggs.

    "We have only the moral ground we actually inhabit, not the moral ground we claim." - It Really Is That Important

    by Diogenes2008 on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 08:02:07 AM PDT

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    •  Think about that for a moment. (3+ / 0-)
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      What's left out? Milk, cheese, bread (you would evidently need to make your own, but how, without eggs, yeast, butter, oils, etc.?)

      No yogurt, no cottage cheese, nothing frozen, no rolls, no spices, no lunch meats, no ketchup, no condiments at all... and they THINK they personally would add eggs.... but DEFINITELY no snacks.

      Grains? So you'd have to make your own flour?

      I guess you would have to spend what little cash you have on those things it wouldn't cover? What do you give up, then? Phone, maybe, or electricity, or tissue paper, or.... you see where I'm going here.

      But hey, it's just poor people, right? Sucking off the teat of the taxpayer, unlike the big oil companies and rich CEO's.... or like some in Congress who own farms and get paid NOT to raise food... (Google it)

      Must have done something to deserve being born with a disability, even those who worked hard until they couldn't anymore. Right? And those who lost their jobs because of the economic crash... they must have deserved it.

      Every day, people on this site talk about "poor people" and how we need to help them, instead of bailing out the big banks etc. etc. etc.....

      Was it all just talk? Or do they only want to help the poor as some grand gesture so that they can get praise for it? Poor people are still stupid, uneducated, lazy... we need to tell them what to do, because they're not smart enough to figure anything out for themselves, I suppose...

      Gah.

      "We have only the moral ground we actually inhabit, not the moral ground we claim." - It Really Is That Important

      by Diogenes2008 on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 08:20:29 AM PDT

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      •  I think it's likely we are not referring to the (0+ / 0-)

        same diary.  You'll note I mentioned "he" and "older guy" and your link is to something written by a "vickijean."  The egg and oatmeal breakfast isn't there either.  With that in mind, perhaps your assumption of my dishonesty and subsequent dressing-down wasn't warranted.  Ya think?

        ready...fire...aim.

        Not that it matters....I agree with your observations above.

         

        The longer I live, the clearer I perceive how unmatchable a compliment one pays when he says of a man "he has the courage to utter his convictions." Mark Twain

        by Persiflage on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 10:57:42 AM PDT

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        •  The one the diarist was talking about (1+ / 0-)
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          Was the one I mentioned. We were both there.

          You claimed to know which diary was referenced, but you were wrong.

          I'm sorry if I came across a bit touchy, but your comment sounded like you were dismissing the diarist's concerns.

          "We have only the moral ground we actually inhabit, not the moral ground we claim." - It Really Is That Important

          by Diogenes2008 on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 11:31:00 AM PDT

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        •  This, especially (1+ / 0-)
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          Some people seem to lie in the weeds hoping someone will say something they can take rabid offense at...and I think this is one of those times.

          "We have only the moral ground we actually inhabit, not the moral ground we claim." - It Really Is That Important

          by Diogenes2008 on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 11:32:06 AM PDT

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          •  It may be that comment pushed your button (1+ / 0-)
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            but, it's an observation that often holds true.  

            I never mentioned the diarist's concerns...you decided that I had dismissed his concerns.   The diarist appears to have pressing matters more to be concerned about than soft drinks, but that's another matter and I wouldn't deign to pass judgement on someone whose shoes I haven't walked in.        

            The longer I live, the clearer I perceive how unmatchable a compliment one pays when he says of a man "he has the courage to utter his convictions." Mark Twain

            by Persiflage on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 01:06:58 PM PDT

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            •  hi. diarist here. (1+ / 0-)
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              For me, given the food police pressure I face on a daily basis - from my parents, from the shitty FOX they watch constantly, from "friends" on Facebook, from the people at the store when I shop, from "well meaning" diarists on DKOS - who wisely backtrack and deleted, but still -  I get tired and angry and fed up.  

              So my desire to be able to choose one thing I enjoy for myself - it's a fucking pressing matter to me.  It may seem trivial to you - but it's not to me because it's not really about my choice in drinks to wash down my ramen with - it's about hope.

              And there are people in this world who want to make snide little remarks and take that last vestige of hope away from me for no reason other than I am poor, sick and get help to buy it.

              And that sucks.

              And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

              by Mortifyd on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 03:53:59 PM PDT

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              •  Diarist... (0+ / 0-)

                You certainly have my sympathy for your predicament...mostly for your health problems which appear not to be things that a job and greater independence may someday alleviate.

                As a parent of a child - now middle-aged...( I reiterate I haven't walked in your shoes)..who had numerous issues until a few years ago I also have some empathy for your parents...whether they watch Fox/have other concerns or not...and whom, to you, make your life difficult while you are living with them.

                The simple fact is...like it or not...you're fortunate to have their support and they do have rights to their own lives/opinions/eccentricities/whatever even if it bugs you.  At your age, you're their guest....family or not.  It's likely not a picnic for them either.  

                All that said, there are likely legitimate arguments both ways about how people on public assistance spend that money and why some people perceive soft drinks/sugar-coated cereals/whatever as dubious expenditures and some don't.   I choose not to engage in that argument.

                I wish for you blessings and good fortune that will allow you to live your life as you see fit.  

                The longer I live, the clearer I perceive how unmatchable a compliment one pays when he says of a man "he has the courage to utter his convictions." Mark Twain

                by Persiflage on Sat Mar 23, 2013 at 01:55:14 AM PDT

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                •  you clearly have not read my diaries (0+ / 0-)

                  about my parents.

                  They aren't being supportive out of a sense of concern for me - but for themselves and their need to control me. I got away, now I have to pay for it.

                  That said - THEY aren't so much bitching about my soda as much as reiterating that OTHER people on SNAP are lazy stupid bums because poor = stupid.  I have an exception being their child.

                  I just happen to be human enough to empathize with other poor people.

                  But hey, thanks for concern trolling over one "luxury" item that makes me feel human, it means a lot to me.

                  And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

                  by Mortifyd on Sat Mar 23, 2013 at 03:36:31 AM PDT

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                  •  Candidly (0+ / 0-)

                    You sound like some teenagers I know.  

                    The longer I live, the clearer I perceive how unmatchable a compliment one pays when he says of a man "he has the courage to utter his convictions." Mark Twain

                    by Persiflage on Sun Mar 24, 2013 at 10:52:46 AM PDT

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                    •  go fuck yourself and get out of my diary (0+ / 0-)

                      is that clear enough for you?

                      And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

                      by Mortifyd on Mon Mar 25, 2013 at 02:28:08 AM PDT

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                    •  and "candidly" you sound like a typical (0+ / 0-)

                      minimizer who can't empathise with other people and enjoy shame trolling.  Kind of abusive behaviour actually.

                      And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

                      by Mortifyd on Mon Mar 25, 2013 at 02:29:57 AM PDT

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                    •  You try living on beans for months on end (1+ / 0-)
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                      See how much you start to crave variety.

                      Then we will bitch at you for being "wasteful"

                      "Til you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules" John Lennon - Working Class Hero

                      by Horace Boothroyd III on Mon Mar 25, 2013 at 03:32:13 AM PDT

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                      •  You have assumed you know what I think about (0+ / 0-)

                        the DP issue or the issue of dictates about what should be purchased with public assistance monies... which I carefully avoided...because, as I said earlier..I can see good arguments in both directions but I wouldn't personally deny someone the right to decide for themselves.

                        My direct comments to the diarist were in an entirely different vein.    If you didn't actually read those comments or failed to understand or if you disagree, so be it.   What either of us thinks doesn't matter a whit in the long run.

                        The longer I live, the clearer I perceive how unmatchable a compliment one pays when he says of a man "he has the courage to utter his convictions." Mark Twain

                        by Persiflage on Mon Mar 25, 2013 at 05:19:13 AM PDT

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