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  •  the british empire (0+ / 0-)

    was as violent as any in history. non-violence worked.

    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

    by Laurence Lewis on Mon Mar 25, 2013 at 01:13:46 PM PDT

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    •  First of All (0+ / 0-)

      You have to fight fire with fire. Where I live in Arizona what do wildfire crews do to stop a wildfire? They set back fires to remove fuels.

      You aren't reading your history books. After World Wars 1 and 2, Great Britain was in debt way over its head and had to, in effect divest. The problem in south Asia was how to divest without a bloodbath between the Muslims and Hindus. Ghandi was killed by a Hindu zealot who didn't want compromise with the Muslims.

      I applaud the occupy movement. If I was a recent college grad over my head in debt that I was unable to pay back while Rand Paul was telling me all about the magic free market I would probably think like you too. But I'm 62 years old, disabled with spondylitis and living off $1000 a month in social security. That's it. Nothing else. But I was thoughtful enough to pay off my house when I was able to. So my only debt is a car payment. But I'm looking for a job now, I have 2 college degrees, both in technology, but I am stuck because I can't sell my house. If I did sell my house I would be homeless with a little more money in the bank but I would not be able to buy another, also I can't afford rent. And the stress of moving would put me over the edge. I would wind up an invalid. And where would I go, China?

      So how am I supposed to deal with the magic free market? I can't and I get very little help from vocational rehab. Most of them are good decent people but they are limited because they are hemmed in by government policy and the magic free market. So I'm taking some classes at the local community college to get a 3rd party certification in computer networks. Guess what? Even if I do get a certification from Cisco or CompTia I still probably won't be able to find a job. So I volunteer at the local senior center teaching computer classes to seniors and I do some handicrafts.

      Knowledge is Power. Ignorance is not bliss, it is suffering.

      by harris stein on Mon Mar 25, 2013 at 02:04:00 PM PDT

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      •  how about eye for an eye (0+ / 0-)

        leaving us all blind?

        our current system is as unsustainable as was the british. the iron curtain also fell, with relatively little bloodshed.

        The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

        by Laurence Lewis on Mon Mar 25, 2013 at 02:14:19 PM PDT

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        •  How about turn the other cheek (0+ / 0-)

          No matter how you slice and dice it our enemy is not the 30% or so of hard core republicans who think Rand Paul and Paul Ryan will usher in the new capitalist utopia. And neither is Glenn Greenwald who wants to usher in the new socialist workers utopia, with him at the top of the heap of course.

          There never was an old capitalist utopia or old socialist workers utopia. The enemy was always the 1%. 2 thousand years ago it was the Roman 1%. Then it was the 1% of the Germanic tribes of northern Europe. Finally it was the 1% of the Catholic Church from the end of the 8th century until the middle of the 14th and the Black Plague.

          I see a pattern here. All of these 1% kept the masses in ignorance, suffering, and poverty using superstition and the threat of magic. We still enable them today clinging to magical ideas that even as our economic enemies in the 1% slowly kill us off by fouling the air and water, exacerbating climate change, while the 1% live in unimaginaeable luxury, we tell them that even though they are our enemy, we love them. That somehow that will change them as if 4000 years of the 1% never happened. No, not the hocus pocus of turn the other cheek because when the Catholic Church took power and became the 1% they decided turn the other cheek was bad policy.  

          Knowledge is Power. Ignorance is not bliss, it is suffering.

          by harris stein on Mon Mar 25, 2013 at 04:52:52 PM PDT

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          •  here's to the new boss (0+ / 0-)

            same as the old boss. there always will be 1%ers. the point is the neutralize them, and non-violent means have worked.

            The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

            by Laurence Lewis on Mon Mar 25, 2013 at 09:45:24 PM PDT

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