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  •  You're simplifying things (4+ / 0-)

    One of the big reasons for the fall off in Mass attendance in Cardinal O'Malley's tenure was the forced closures and consolidations of parishes.  People knew that their parish churches were being sold off to pay for the debt from the child abuse settlements.  They watched parishes their parents had donated to, built and maintained be closed and sold.  And they felt a sense of deepened betrayal on top of the betrayal they already felt over the sexual abuse of children by priests.  The parish closings were a huge factor in the drop off in Mass attendance.

    For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die--Ted Kennedy

    by sobermom on Sun Mar 24, 2013 at 08:30:58 AM PDT

    •  You're putting the cart before the horse. (1+ / 0-)
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      The reason there was forced closures and consolidations was because of the fall off in Mass attendance.

      •  True there was a drop off (1+ / 0-)
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        in attendance before the closures.  But there was an significant decrease following the closures, and those people are not coming back.  I think that people were waiting to see what would happen after Cardinal O'Malley arrived to determine if they were willing to go back.  But the closing of parishes was the end for many Catholics who were still on the fence.

        For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die--Ted Kennedy

        by sobermom on Sun Mar 24, 2013 at 11:18:25 AM PDT

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      •  But that is a decades-long phenomenon. (3+ / 0-)
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        You really twist the facts in this diary to fit them into your storyline.

        Art is the handmaid of human good.

        by joe from Lowell on Sun Mar 24, 2013 at 11:50:22 AM PDT

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        •  Please quote the "non-factual" parts of my diary. (0+ / 0-)
          •  Took 2 seconds to find this (1+ / 0-)
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            In Argentina and the rest of South America “the rightwing sectors, both political and religious, will be strengthened” by Bergoglio’s papacy.
            That is pretty non-factual. One sentence out of hundreds. Can't be bothered to play trash man today and find all the rest. The diary doesn't need to be re-written by me word for word to illustrate what's wrong with it.

            Betty's nutty conspiracy theory of the week. That should be the title for all her diaries.

            •  But of course there would be (1+ / 0-)
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              a marked uptick in levels of attention, at the very least, given to any nation whose Cardinal is elected by the Conclave.

              This time it's Argentina.  

              Bergoglio was in town for the highly restrictive junta and is said to have expressed frustration in Cristina Fernandez Kirchner's support for far more liberalized attitudes (and legislation) regarding contraception and gay marriage, etc.  Her initiatives were not to the Cardinal's liking and he sought vigorously to assert his personal positions as regional head of a private religion onto the public policy of a nation.

              Not good.  Not modern.  But likely encouraging to "the rightwing sectors, both political and religious," in Argentina at the time.  

              It's worked similarly in the U.S., during the 2004 presidential election, for example.  Catholic higher-ups didn't care for John Kerry's stand on reproductive freedom so calls were placed and arrangements made to seek to deny him communion.  

              Betty Clermont is conducting a dialogue on matters Catholic that the Church itself has resisted, significantly to its disadvantage, IMO.  I've found Betty's diaries informative, interesting, and valuable.  I hope she writes some more.

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