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  •  The political power of the church (2+ / 0-)
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    is clearly significant, especially in the US, since we're the most conservative country in the developed democratic world and give our religious leaders far more power than is the case anywhere else outside the Muslim world. I guess I was wondering more about internal church politics and policies as well as theology, which is of little interest or importance to most people who aren't practicing Catholics. But since the latter affects the former, I suppose that that is why we need to pay attention even if it doesn't "interest" us.

    To be honest, though, I'm biased when it comes to religion--any religion--because I honestly don't understand why in the early 21st century organizations that, whatever other good they do, ultimately rest upon pre-modern theological metaphysics--i.e. the notion of a divine omnipotent and omniscient being who created the world and all its physical and moral laws--are taken serious on such a basis. It's all so much angels on the head of a pin chit chat to me that I literally don't get because it makes no sense to me, like the vicious pie fights one might come across in a sci fi chat room over the relative merits of Star Wars vs. Star Trek and the meaning of The Force.

    Apologies if I've offended. I know this is important to you and others.

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Sun Mar 24, 2013 at 08:46:57 AM PDT

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    •  You haven't offended one bit. I have benefited (3+ / 0-)
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      greatly from the wisdom of your comments. In fact, I would agree with everything you wrote 100% except for the fact that when I was pretty much an agnostic with no use for religion when I experienced a miracle  - and it's OK if you don't believe that. I wouldn't have either. It's just too bad that organized religions have become everything you say they are, when what we should be talking about is love - God, the divine, Allah by whatever name loves us. The rest should just be a response to being loved.

      •  And that's precisely the point (3+ / 0-)
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        that religion is, as actually experienced and not merely analyzed and discussed, a deeply personal and individual phenomenon, whether in one's spiritual connection to and experience of god or the universe or humanity. It is by its very nature intensely and unavoidably personal. I can certainly see the role of an organization (i.e. religion) to help one process such an experience, but not by imposing its strict version of what that experience is and must be on you, no matter how strongly its leaders believe that they are correct in that version and no matter how rigorous the philosophical justifications for it might be. That's not religion. That's oppression.

        "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

        by kovie on Sun Mar 24, 2013 at 09:19:44 AM PDT

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