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  •  I am dumbfounded at the shallow responses here. (3+ / 0-)
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    Clearly they are not reading the article. My objection is not to the Vietnamese having this wreckage as a monument. It is not to CBS showing footage shot at the wreckage. It is the insensitivity of using it as a prop in a silly game. Good Lord, some of the people here are clearly as insensitive as CBS itself. Why would you choose to use the site as a prop knowing it might provoke a backlash? Is that good business sense? There must be a hundred other cultural/historic sites they could have chosen. Instead they chose a site any half-wit would realize would cause pain to American veterans. Apparently the corporate culture has brainwashed a lot of readers here that anything goes in entertainment, regardless of who it hurts. Shame.

    •  I don't understand your outrage. (6+ / 0-)

      How exactly is it that this wreckage would cause pain to Viet Vets? By reminding them that we lost that war? I think they have adjusted to that reality. The Vietnamese are not our enemies anymore. Americans know it was a huge and tragic mistake to fight that war. The Vietnamese won. They defeated the American military on the field of battle, threw out an invading army, and are writing their own future. We applaud and admire them for that.
      Now if the show were filmed at the LBJ library, that would have been insensitive.

      The political and commercial morals of the United States are not merely food for laughter, they are an entire banquet. Mark Twain

      by AWhitneyBrown on Sat Mar 23, 2013 at 09:16:16 AM PDT

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    •  We understand we just don't agree with you. (3+ / 0-)
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      "Jesus Christ was black, ronald reagan was the devil, and the government is lying about 9/11." Huey Freeman

      by cee4 on Sat Mar 23, 2013 at 09:22:50 AM PDT

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    •  "(C)ause pain to American veterans"? (5+ / 0-)

      I'm not sure exactly what about this causes pain to American veterans, particularly Viet Nam veterans.

      We launched a war of imperial aggression against a struggling Third World nation that only wanted what our own Founding Fathers wanted. We squandered the flower of our youth in what a Viet Vet friend of mine called "the teenage slaughter" a few nights ago. We showered poor people with cluster bombs and sprayed them, and ourselves, with the horrors of genetic mutation and lifelong illnesses.

      Yet somehow it's a teevee show using the day to day reality of courageous people who survived all modern industrial society was willing to throw at them that's the cause for outrage?

      I'll save my outrage for the Vietnamese children still being born deformed and stunted by Agent Orange, my sympathy for the Viet Nam veterans who have dedicated themselves to trying to right some of the wrongs we did there, like the members of Veterans For Peace Chapter 160.

      I'll save some more of my outrage for the horrible misshapen children of Iraq, deformed by exposure to Depleted Uranium.

      But I'll save most of my outrage for the faux patriots who are never willing to look back at what we've done, their eyes already on the next atrocity ahead. They're the ones watching Fox News and the Amazing Race.

      Those of us who are trying to right the wrongs are too busy to worry about mindless ephemera. Many of us don't even own teevee machines.

      2031595 USMC
      RVN '65-'66, '66-'67

    •  I watched the show (1+ / 0-)
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      I wouldn't say I was outraged by this, but I was somewhat annoyed by it.  I almost got the impression the producers of the show were confused by what it was.  I thought they should have mentioned some of the history of it considering that it is clearly a war trophy for the Vietnamese.  They (or at least some of the contestants) seemed to imply it was a memorial for the Americans that died there.

    •  I understand what you're trying to say (0+ / 0-)

      Perhaps I misinterpreted, but it came across as "It's only offensive because Americans died there".

      Because of course it's always all about us.

      If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

      by Major Kong on Sat Mar 23, 2013 at 09:50:17 AM PDT

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    •  I agree completely Richard... (0+ / 0-)

      ... that they would have it as a memorial, for both of us, is understandable and appropriate.

      That the idiots at CBS would use it as a prop in a silly game... of a monumentally STUPID tv show, that itself is an insult to people's intelligence... is pathetic.

      If I were there I'd lay flowers for both the crew and the people it dropped bombs on.

      I was too young to go, but I spent my entire childhood following pins on a map of Vietnam, where my Grand Uncle and Grand Aunt spent most of the war. Uncle Bud was a Catholic Priest, he spent the war with his soldiers, riding med-evac helicopters to give aid and comfort to his people. His sister, was a nun, and a US Army combat nurse, and she spent the war in a MASH unit. My Grandmother followed them on a giant map of Vietnam on the pantry door, and moved the pins as their letters would report their current locations.

      I have no problem with singing the song, they are supposed to be traveling the world to partake in the culture of the places they visit. And a picture of Ho is like us having a picture of George Washington.

    •  Why would a blind pig have a hard time smelling (3+ / 0-)

      truffles?  Pigs have poor eyesight anyway.  They're all nose.  And a blind animal compensates with its remaining intact senses.  Is that really a proverbial saying?  If so, it's a stupid proverbial saying.

       FOX picked up on this not because of luck but because it represents a possible hook for their right wing agenda.  They had a "liberal" commentator raise the issue in the hopes that liberals would be taken in by their "outrage," as if it were something other than a ratings ploy of the same type that the idiot setup of the reality show in question is.  Apparently their calculations had some validity.  Maybe that's the point of your diary.

      Instead of being dumfounded, you might take a look at the responses of the Vietnam vets above.  This is an outrage only in the sense that most of TV is an outrage. Like the commenter above says, go volunteer at your local VA if you feel this strongly about honoring those who fought in that misbegotten American travesty, and quit giving props to an agitprop organ of the forces that are driving this country into a heap of wreckage.

      "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you succeed." - Nancy Pelosi // Question: "succeed" at what?

      by nailbender on Sat Mar 23, 2013 at 09:55:41 AM PDT

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