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  •  well here is the problem with that (1+ / 0-)
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    There were people who were fearing very bad ramifications with the fiscal cliff deal.

    The GOP  caved on the debt ceiling. Obama stood to his principles there that he will not negotiate the debt limit.

    Furthermore, Obama got a LOT of what he wanted with the fiscal cliff deal. Democrats in polls supported the fiscal cliff deal.

    Also, Republicans will NEVER agree to tax increases. Period.
    Therefore, the cuts will not happen.  This "big deal" is just theatre, just like the fiscal cliff scenario. Obama was just trying to create divisions in the republican party. That is what the GOP is so scared of.

    Lastly, chained CPI cuts are the GOP's ideas. That is why if Pelosi is speaker, we don't have to worry about republicans or needing their votes on anything.

    Obama supports raising the cap off of high income earners to strengthen Social Security. Republicans don't. Republicans would NEVER strengthen Social Security. That is a huge difference there.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

    Furthermore, Obamacare is a huge strengthening of the Social Safety Net in many ways. (medicaid expansion, Medicare solvence and fraud reduction, Indian Health care system modernized and expanded).

    Lastly Obama has weakened some of the most odious aspects of Clinton's welfare reform.

    When you look at all that, context, and Obama's second inaugural address, it is clear that Obama's fundamental views of the Safety net are mainstream with the American people and progressivism in general. Obama's treasury secretary Jack Lew is one of the most fierce defenders of Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.

    Obama just got misguided during the first debt ceiling fight on deficits and "bringing people together". He learned from his mistakes since then. The GOP has been caving more often these days ( 2nd debt ceiling being example)

    So yes, we definitely should say no to the Chained CPI, just like Warren. But the fact is that, the fiscal cliff scenario and this current big deal scenario are much more complicated than at first glance.

    •  If chained cpi is the GOP's idea (4+ / 0-)

      Why is Obama the one offering it up?

      Or is it another case of RomneyCare >>>> ObamaCare?




      Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
      ~ Jerry Garcia

      by DeadHead on Sun Mar 24, 2013 at 04:26:23 PM PDT

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      •  to get republicans to extract a lot of tax reform (0+ / 0-)

        and progressive tax increases (which won't happen)

        and again, Obama will not chase them or a bad deal. He will not be charlie brown and will not hesitate to back off should the differences be too great.

        obama said a deal may not even happen and he will be okay with that. Listen to his interview with George Stephanopoulos. It is quite encouraging.

        •  So he's doing it to... (0+ / 0-)

          "extract a lot of tax reform and progressive tax increases," which you parenthetically note "won't happen."

          All right, why then, if they aren't going to happen, did he feel it necessary to offer it?

          It's not something to be playing a high-stakes game of dice with...

          Once the deal is just right, meaning chained CPI AND who knows what else, are you in a position to guarantee the GOP will not end up saying yes? What do we do then? Swallow our medicine?

          This 11th dimensional chess crap is getting a bit worn.




          Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
          ~ Jerry Garcia

          by DeadHead on Sun Mar 24, 2013 at 08:07:15 PM PDT

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          •  You have to bait your hook (0+ / 0-)

            with something that will be tempting. And he can say to the deficit hawks "I tried."

            I'm asking you to believe. Not in my ability to bring about real change in Washington ... *I'm asking you to believe in yours.* Barack Obama

            by samddobermann on Mon Mar 25, 2013 at 03:29:34 PM PDT

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    •  Obama offered up the chained CPI, I don't care (4+ / 0-)

      who's idea it was....our side brought it to the table, should have never happened.

      •  actually, contrary to what people say, (0+ / 0-)

        In private negotiations in the fiscal cliff situations, republicans offered chained cpi first.

        even in debt ceiling negotiations in 2011, republicans were prodding for cuts FIRST which then obama offered and got misguided (that was a low point for obama no sugarcoating)

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