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  •  Bigoted? Heh! (18+ / 0-)

    It's funny how you're trying to say someone who hates the Catholic Church is somehow "bigotted".

    Like being Catholic is something you are born with, like being black or being gay.

    What Sunday Social Club you belong to isn't something you're born with, it's just some group of people who believe in invisible sky men that you decide to hang out with and also believe in invisible sky men together.

    Bigoted?  You should be ashamed of yourself for trying to diminish the real challenges and difficulties that minorities actually face due to actual real bigotry by trying to attach someone's choice of Sunday Morning Social Club as being somehow even vaguely similar.

    It's not bigotry, sorry.  Religious people chose to patronize a particular church, and others are free to criticize and even hate on them as much as they please.  That's called freedom of expression.

    Seriously, you should be ashamed of yourself.

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    by Rick Aucoin on Sun Mar 24, 2013 at 08:53:32 AM PDT

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    •  How marvelous a champion of hate! (0+ / 0-)

      And that never goes wrong does it?

    •  Sorry, bad argument. (1+ / 0-)
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      The proof that it's bad is that it could be used in favor of anti-Semitism.

      The good argument is that criticism is utterly different from discrimination or persecution.

      Freedom isn't free. Patriots pay taxes.

      by Dogs are fuzzy on Sun Mar 24, 2013 at 12:37:15 PM PDT

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      •  Or you could meet the Sudanese refugees (1+ / 0-)
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        who were sponsored by my mother's parish to learn about their experience with religious hate only recently.  Catholics are being killed for the faith in Sudan, due to our lovely war in Iraq, in Lebanon, etc.

        Nothing new under the sun about hating people for their religion.  It's lead to any number of genocides.  The 20th Century German example is just the most remarkable because the people executing their hatred were "educated" and "civilized" and particularly efficient.

      •  sorry, no (3+ / 0-)
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        Just because ethnic Jews were persecuted, hell just because Christians were persecuted in Rome, you still don't get to pretend your Sunday morning social club is something other than a choice of activities, just like someone chooses to, say, like Pepsi over Coke or someone chooses to spend their time reading trashy romance novels.

        Religion is just a time-waster like any other hobby, you don't get special protections that are reserved for attributes people are born with such as race, gender, sexual orientation.

        And it is friggin obscene that the religious would even TRY to co-opt such status for themselves.

        For fucking shame.  And generally its one religion murdering another, as far as religious persecution goes.

        Stop trying to act like your religion is some kind of special status, its not.  We don't protect Justin bieber fans from 'bigotry' either you know.  

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        by Rick Aucoin on Sun Mar 24, 2013 at 01:52:49 PM PDT

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        •  Some Americans have thought otherwise (1+ / 0-)
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          From George Washington's letter to the Jews of Newport, RI, one of his first visits upon becoming President.

          The Citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for giving to Mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy: a policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship. It is now no more that toleration is spoken of, as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights. For happily the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection, should demean themselves as good citizens.

          •  You Are Out of Your Mind (3+ / 0-)

            Where did Washington say that church membership isn't a choice? Of course he said the opposite there.

            Where did he say that religious persecution entitles the victim to immunity for responsibility for their acts that deserve retribution? Nowhere of course.

            You are just demonstrating the insanity of religious people who feel entitled to archly cite non sequiturs (at best) to evade the consequences of your private clubs acting badly.

            "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

            by DocGonzo on Sun Mar 24, 2013 at 03:08:50 PM PDT

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          •  Jeez. (0+ / 0-)

            So, a) he isn't saying what you chose to do isn't a choice, quite the opposite, and b) George Washington was a 18th Century plantation owner and an army general.

            Which I guess is a huge step up from taking your orders from 10th Century BC shepherds and whackos, but still, come on.

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            by Rick Aucoin on Sun Mar 24, 2013 at 05:13:46 PM PDT

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      •  Wrong (2+ / 0-)
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        It's wrong to hate people who are Jews by family.

        However, hating religious Jews who defend killing Palestinian children by citing some old biblical mumbo jumbo is not bigotry.

        Not all hatred is bigotry. Not all hatred of a people defined by a religion is bigotry.

        "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

        by DocGonzo on Sun Mar 24, 2013 at 03:02:37 PM PDT

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        •  Well I hope you are always around (0+ / 0-)

          to make those fine distinctions for us, so we don't go off track with our hate and get carried away.   I mean we sure wouldn't want to be hating someone for a reason that is not listed in the secular atheist rule book or wherever you look up your own rules of when hatred is acceptable and when it is not.  Do you have your own 10 commandments or is it just a seat of the pants thing?

          •  Call Me Anytime (4+ / 0-)

            If you weren't too lazy to learn ethics and develop a conscience instead of relying on priests to arbitrarily keep some obsolete rules while inventing unworkable new ones, you wouldn't need me around to make these "fine distinctions".

            Because you'd easily recognize the difference between hating someone for their arbitrary association with a religion inherited through family, and their voluntary association with its detestable practices by active membership.

            The "secular atheist" rulebook? That's redundant - but logic is nothing to you, you just think those two words are insults.

            I hate stupid people who don't shut up and recognize how stupid they are. Welcome to the club.

            "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

            by DocGonzo on Sun Mar 24, 2013 at 03:12:04 PM PDT

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