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  •  Moses simply means "born of" (3+ / 0-)
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    So Tuthmoses means Born of Thoth, and Rameses means Born of Ra.  

    And the 18th dynasty is earlier than most I have heard   suggest (including Kitchen, who does believe in a somewhat literal exodus).  Per-Ramses has been identified as Qantir.  

    •  There is a bit more to it than that (0+ / 0-)

      There are no vowels in Egyptian so essentially you have two hieroglyphics M (a preposition with the sense of from or as an idiom to come forth from) and ses (which means to guard). The general sense of midwife is present.

      Kamose last ruler of the 17th Dynasty defeated the Hyksos and by bringing an end to the Hyksos brought forth the rebirth of Egyptian culture that became the 18th Dynasty

      Ahmose (who may have been Kamose with a new name)  is generally considered to have brought the 18th dynasty into existence

      Thutmosis was a great statesman who brought forth the state of Egypt from the djadi (the watershed of the Jordan) into upper retnu (the watershed of the Orontes).

      Moses brought forth a new religion which worshipped the written law as symbolized by the ten commandments.

      Ken Kitchen despite being totally wrong about just about everything developed the concept of datable textual artifacts. Its pretty clear that despite the lack of evidence for an Exodus from Egypt's delta in the 19th or 20th dynasties, there is a lot of evidence for a literal Exodus across the Red Sea which has been emerging since Glueck and "Rivers in the Desert" was written in the 40's.

      The first seven stations are in Egypt Between Karnack and Thebes port of Elim (modern Quaseir)

      Next comes the crossing of the Red Sea and  ten stations in and around Mount Horab located at Elat at the head of the Gulf of Aqaba.


      Following that the metes and bounds of Edom are walked heading up from Elat to the brook of Egypt, then following the kings highway east to Moab and Petra, then following the wadi Arabah south back to Elat.

      In the Negev there are the the remains of the campsites, Egyptian faience and other Egyptian artifacts related to the worship of Hathor.

      Live Free or Die --- Investigate, Incarcerate

      by rktect on Mon Mar 25, 2013 at 07:58:29 AM PDT

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      •  actually the general writing is (2+ / 0-)
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        ms (a single biliteral sign) and s, rather than the other way around.  

        •  Gardiner p 570 (0+ / 0-)

          ms is a biliteral but by itself is just phonetic dependent on its prefix or suffix for meaning.

          ms i (F31, B3) Bear, give birth
          p 607 birth, ms w t; give; ms det B3 bear give birth
          p614 ms d det man, hate

          where it refers to personal names its different.

          As used in cartouches such as that of Ahmose or Ramesses
          it refers to the birth of the moon or sun respectively and
          has the sense of an astronomical observation or omen,
          where the king has guarded or observed the occurance of an astronomical event such as a solstice. In the case of Ahmose the observation of a star might begin a new regnal year and dynasty.

          Live Free or Die --- Investigate, Incarcerate

          by rktect on Mon Mar 25, 2013 at 02:28:04 PM PDT

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