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  •  On a personal level for you that sucks (2+ / 0-)
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    karmsy, Ian H

    but more broadly, welcome to the world that most all of the rest of us (with the possible additional exceptions of MDs and lawyers) live in!

    •  [Snaps gum] Chawmed, Oi'm shoo-uh. (2+ / 0-)
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      karmsy, Ian H

      I'm lucky, in a way, in that I can survive on my savings for a while, barring illness or whatever. I have a friend who's a few years older and has been out of work for a year. He says he's applied to numerous positions that were a perfect match, only to be passed over. If he can't find work near home, he will have to look elsewhere and send money home.

    •  Pretty severe lawyer glut (5+ / 0-)

      these days, and that's persisted for decades. I clearly remember picking up a magazine article in the 80s (I was in high school or college) about how lawyers, with the exception of graduates of top schools, with top gpa's, were basically a dime a dozen. That hasn't improved.

      Sure, you can be lucky, and connected, and end up with a reasonable lawyer job.

      More likely, these days, you'll just graduate from law school penniless, in debt, and your degree will be worthless.

      It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

      by karmsy on Mon Mar 25, 2013 at 09:45:23 AM PDT

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      •  that's extremely sad! (1+ / 0-)
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      •  More substantially, yeah I've heard that (2+ / 0-)
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        this is actually more of a software "problem" than an outsourcing issue, however.

        In that services that previously required a live lawyer can now be substititued by a $19.95 DVD that you pick up at Walmart.

        Oh the humanity.

        •  A few years ago, (3+ / 0-)
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          a friend of mine lost her job as a corporate attorney. In the long months she was unemployed, she considered signing on with an organization she heard about that was "a hybrid between a law firm and a temp agency." They pimp you out by the hour, to clients who need it, in other words.

          I fear this is the new standard.

          It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

          by karmsy on Mon Mar 25, 2013 at 11:46:10 AM PDT

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          •  Yeah, that sucks (3+ / 0-)
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            I actually know several lawyers, they are my wife's friend/acquaintances.

            And quite frankly, having come to know them, they are not totally evil

            OTOH, I don't see how they get off being totally miffed if they don't make $100K with "only" 19 years of education.

            the context being that in science, with 22 years of education (e.g., the average length to a PhD) the salary for a post-doc is something like $37K what with the flooding of the country with foreign post-docs.

            Of course, with the meager NIH support for science these days, the entire enterprise would be shut down w/o this source of cheap labor . ..

            •  Time was, (4+ / 0-)
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              you were told to "take lots of math courses in school and become an engineer, or go into the sciences." This was supposed to "make your degree worth more" when you graduated. Hah!

              What nobody wants to discuss, in the aftermath of the most recent recession, is that the job market has been getting steadily sicker for a long time. Decades. Following every "recovery" we've seen since 1980, there are significantly fewer living-wage jobs than existed before the downturn.

              It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

              by karmsy on Mon Mar 25, 2013 at 01:04:40 PM PDT

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              •  Perhaps ironically, the most best paying (1+ / 0-)
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                jobs these days are in the trades.

                For example, I have a cousin-thrice-removed (if I'm getting the relationship correct) who quit school in the ninth grade and now works in environmental oil remediation (whatever that means) and makes something like $180K a year in the Bakken oil fields.

          •  My Lawyers Are Always (1+ / 0-)
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            independent contractors.  They maintain their own offices and staff.  They don't make a fortune but they make more than most people in the town and they are respected members of the community.  I don't use software because I find most real legal work requires skill, close attention to detail and actual work.

            Newt 2012. Sociopath, adulterer, hypocrite, Republican.

            by tikkun on Mon Mar 25, 2013 at 05:39:20 PM PDT

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      •  At least in VT, there's a path to the Bar (3+ / 0-)
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        ... that doesn't require law school. Too bad other states don't have that option.

    •  Lawyers have some of the highest unemployment (0+ / 0-)

      rates in the entire country and also have the highest student loans.

      Which seems like it should be a very bad combination for people supporting the status quo. Lot's of lawyers with nothing to do and a reason to fight.

    •  The skilled trades make money (0+ / 0-)

      and the skilled trades can't easily be shipped abroad.  Unfortunately most locals in my area have almost no training in the skilled trades.  Those who put out their shingles frequently don't bother to show up for the bidding process.  A first rate master plasterer, electrician, or stone mason can get full time work in our area with the ability to demand premium rates.  But to demand such money you have to be damn good at what you do and better than the competition, and you have to show up.

      Newt 2012. Sociopath, adulterer, hypocrite, Republican.

      by tikkun on Mon Mar 25, 2013 at 05:34:04 PM PDT

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