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  •  Thanks. (10+ / 0-)

    I do believe that we need to make changes in the system to meet a changing world. I suppose that diary is coming and it will probably be longer than this one. I guess the point I am hoping to say is that we can't make real change based on the wrong conclusions and "seductive arguments". And it certainly appears that the wrong conclusions are being made, if not intentionally, then at least irresponsibly. But Houghton-Mifflin, Pearson, and the other companies that are selling their "solutions" to schools will get plenty rich doing it.

    I am in Washington State where the legislature is demanding a "return on their investment" by trying to apply "market solutions" to school performance. I just decided--Market Solutions will be my next hard critical look.

    Thanks again for your comment.

    •  If you go after "market solutions" (3+ / 0-)

      I'd be interested in seeing just how the companies promoting them envision the future employment markets, and what their methodology for prediction is, assuming that they bother delineating it.  

      After all, "what will make us money in the next 10 years" isn't quite the same question as "what specialties, and in what numbers, will the economy need in 10 years".

      If I were thinking about education, I suspect I'd be looking at turning out students who could be maximally flexible in their eventual careers. Which would mean teaching thinking skills from the beginning, as well as self-guided learning techniques. Neither of which is likely to be included in any proposal by a for-profit institution.

      At least half the future I've been expecting hasn't gotten here yet. Sigh.... Yes, there's gender bias in my name; no, I wasn't thinking about it when I signed up. My apologies.

      by serendipityisabitch on Sun Mar 24, 2013 at 11:48:23 PM PDT

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      •  I have begun to look at 'market solutions' (1+ / 0-)
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        and have yet to see a very clearly defined set of solutions tailored to education. So far I only see the generic market ideas of competition, supply and demand, return on investment, etc.

        Perhaps someone has defined something in this area but I have yet to see it. In other word, its a nice catch phrase and nothing more specific. Or...I hope to discover some great new understanding.

    •  Could you include (3+ / 0-)

      some analysis -- in your "market solutions" piece perhaps? -- of how we measure success? Better test scores are not the goal, imo. But they are too often the only measure used by anyone on either side of the arguments.

      Thanks for a new look at these issues.

      •  First solve the poverty issues (1+ / 0-)
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        then we can talk. There is no need for poverty of this level in modern society. When everyone is on a level playing field, then and only then can we start to make meaningful assessments about student outcomes. otherwise the tests are just used to browbeat public schools and teachers, leading to closings and layoffs. Remember, do not try to argue facts and logic with the reformers; their goal is not to improve public education, it is to destroy it. once people understand this fact everything becomes clear and the battle lines can be drawn accordingly. People are still wasting time trynig to argue with people  who have no intention of doing anything at all to help public schools. Case in point, in most states you need a license to cut hair, do nails, perform a massage, or clean someone's teeth. None of these require four years of college. But in most states there is serious talk of doing away with  formal teacher training and licensure. Chris Christie just mentioned it the other day with regard to charter schools. And yet when King Bloomberg appointed Kathy Black to run NYC schools, the former magazine editor was so untrained she had to resign as staff found it too exhausting to try to explain everything to her. Shit, even at PetSmart you gotta be trained to train the fucking dogs, they don't just let anyone do it. But kids? Forget about it, anyone can do it right?

        •  Well, if you wait (0+ / 0-)

          until there is no poverty in this country to realize that testing is out of control, nothing will change. Bad test scores from a poverty-stricken school are not a surprise. But relying on test scores to judge teachers or students is part of the problem, poverty or no.

          Test scores are too often the bottom line used to define schools, excuse all kinds of behavior and drive everything else.

          But I can rant about this as well as the next guy and would like to hear the original poster's non-ranty take on testing.

    •  Fuck em and their "return " on investment (0+ / 0-)

      when do they ever account for the money they waste on utter bullshit? don't tax cuts and 'incentives" to business suck money from the people? Where's the ROI when a Walmart or other big box threatens a town if it doesn't get incentives? Then they hire people who are paid so little they are told to go get food stamps, and shown how to do it. They don't give a shit about kids, what they care about is getting rid of pesky unions and punishing ( mostly female ) teachers for being uppity enough to be educated and have some shred of a middle class lifestyle while the rest of the workforce has suffered under right wing "prosperity". Ed Schulz just mentioned this on the radio today about how they are turning working people against each other, and it 's a damn shame his voice isn't there each night for the workers anymore on MSNBC.

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