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  •  We should not... (2+ / 0-)
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    Elizaveta, Linda Wood

    ...discount voices just because they aren't a part of the Educational Establishment. After all, it's the Establishment that helped create this mess.

    Imagine trying to reform the banking system -- only to hear the Wall Street guys say, "You've never run an investment bank so you're not qualified to criticize us!"

    Imagine trying to cut the Pentagon budget -- but the generals and defense contractors say, "We only listen to people who have Military experience!"

    What bunk.

    Our education system has problems. If the critics can be shown to be wrong, then do so. But we can't dismiss them just because they are outsiders looking in. Sometimes outsiders have the sharpest vision.

    Sometimes only outsiders lack vested interests and have the incentives to make open-minded change possible.

    •  Bunk indeed: (1+ / 0-)
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      Imagine trying to cut the Pentagon budget -- but the generals and defense contractors say, "We only listen to people who have Military experience!"
      The military is under civilian authority, remember? No real parallel here.
      Imagine trying to reform the banking system -- only to hear the Wall Street guys say, "You've never run an investment bank so you're not qualified to criticize us!"
      Economists have no experience in these matters? If Wall Street was only in danger of harming Wall Street banks, with no significant effect on the overall economy, it would be a closer fit. As it is, the actual worry is that Wall Street will destroy the overall economy, something economists are very well equipped to deal with. As I recall, Krugman has not yet been wrong with his predictions. So again, no real parallel.

      Right now, politicians and rich guys (ALEC et al) are making decisions about our nation-wide system of education, and they demonstrably either don't have any understanding of what they are doing or they are deliberately destroying for their own purposes and profit. Here's a nice viewpoint on the subject.

      And it's nice to claim that "open-minded change" is possible, but what is happening is far from it - and you keep pushing for it all, full steam ahead.

      Why is that?

    •  I agree. That is what I have attempted to do here. (0+ / 0-)

      However, when they disregard truth and blatantly promote the lie then I call them out. If they had been in the classroom they would already know that what they claim doesn't make any sense. But they haven't been there and they keep telling the lies.

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