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  •  It may put a fire under them but that (7+ / 0-)

    frog won't jump out of the pot before it boils.

    "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

    by Lily O Lady on Wed Mar 27, 2013 at 09:10:38 AM PDT

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    •  We don't KNOW that. (3+ / 0-)
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      We've never lived through this situation before.  It's utterly unprecedented.  We don't KNOW what will happen.  And in the crises that humanity has faced in the past, the pattern is that people wake up, eventually, and try to find solutions.  THey may flail around, they may fail, or simply be too late, but they try.  

      Declaring that the battle is over --the frog will not jump -- simply means that you're undermining your will and other people's will to side with those who try.

      We've just been through a shift of consciousness in the US public, brought about by Hurricane Sandy.  Even the weather people on the mainstream news now talk about global warming as if it were simply a fact of life.  How much will that change the political dynamics in the US over the next few years?  I don't know, but I know we need to milk it for all it's worth, because if the American people fully wake up to reality, then every time they look at their children they're going to want to strangle the politicos and corporations that let it get to this point.

      How fast can change come if people really understand that it's not about the polar bears but about their children and their grandchildren?

      India, by the way, is one of the places where solar power is growing way faster than expectations.  Often it's crude installations, small scale, doing better than the overburdened "conventional" coal-generated electrical grid.  India as a model for expanding solar power -- would you have predicted that?  I wouldn't.

      Recently tens of thousands of Chinese held an unauthorized demonstration against yet another coal-fired plant being built in a region where the air already makes people sick.  The government backed off and stopped construction.  Would you have expected that under the repressive CHinese government?

      We're dealing with a very complex system.  It's hard to predict, for good or ill.  We're learning, almost daily that the destruction is moving faster than we realized.  But there are also people who've been working on these issues for decades, often in unpublicized ways, and we simply don't know which of their efforts are going to bear fruit.  

      I don't think anyone can state with surety at this point that the frog won't jump.  No one can say with surety that there's no hope for human life, for human civilization, for democracy, no hope to mitigate the loss of species and ecologies in the coming ecological disasters.  It's going to be a heartbreaking time for those who love the Earth and for those who love humanity.  But until we know there's nothing more to be done, what sane or honorable option is there but to keep fighting for the fate we want for those we love?

      Hell, even people like Jim Hansen haven't given up on mitigation yet, and he certainly knows better than most just how precariously we're clinging to the edge of the cliff.  My personal stance is that as long as Jim Hansen and others like him are still trying, I'm going to have their back.

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      by Fiona West on Wed Mar 27, 2013 at 07:16:05 PM PDT

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      •  Sorry to be so negative, but I'm (0+ / 0-)

        a bit discouraged. Down south in my neck of the woods we are having unseasonable cold weather (at least at night) and the news people seem to be backing off of their acceptance of global warming/climate change. They forget, or do not realize that we will see greater weather extremes as CO2 in the atmosphere and oceans increases.

        I keep waiting for people to wake up, but they keep hitting the snooze button at every opportunity. We're drilling the the Arctic. On NPR I heard a discussion of the role of the Coast Guard in protecting our mineral rights in the Arctic Ocean. If we talked about solar and wind power as much as we talk about the Keystone XL, fracking and drilling in the Arctic we might have a chance, but it hasn't happened yet.

        "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

        by Lily O Lady on Wed Mar 27, 2013 at 07:29:20 PM PDT

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        •  Not true. Solar and wind power are growing (0+ / 0-)

          at unprecedented rates and that trend is expected to continue due to the cost reduction and new leasing options on solar panels.

          •  "Unprecedented" in the US pales in (0+ / 0-)

            comparison to the efforts in Germany and elsewhere. And that unprecedented growth still has not stopped the drumbeat of "drill, baby, drill!" and "frack, baby, frack." And the Keystone XL is being pushed on us while coal mining, even on fragile public lands, continues.

            I do hope for the best, but as things stand, I fear the worst.

            "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

            by Lily O Lady on Wed Mar 27, 2013 at 09:28:15 PM PDT

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            •  I ride this emotional roller coaster (2+ / 0-)
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              on both the global ecosystem deterioration and the 1% grip on our government and financial infrastructure.

              Positives I have focused on include that in 2012, new energy sources in America were a few decimal points off even between alternative and fossil fuels. The first month of 2013, new energy was 100% alternative sources.

              The discovery (peer reviewed, scientific) reported this week that the 11/11 earthquake in Oklahoma was from fracking waste water wells is big news. While a lot of the public will miss it, the state governments where the earthquakes have happened are having to address it. The potential loss of lives and cost of damages is too significant.

              While it is certainly a state of nail biting and indigestion anxiety, awareness of the evidence of global ecosystem crises is getting to critical mass. We will know when Obama finally draws a line on further government support for the development and installation of new fossil fuel plants. I am really hopeful that line will be in the tar sands.

              This not well known possibility for significant energy production has a lot of potential IMO. Outgoing DoE director Chu supported funding additional research and development of the liquid salt reactors. There are a variety of videos on this YouTube page explaining thorium reactors and others.

              This weekend I am going to write a letter to Gov Frackenlooper about the earthquake study and challenge his legal threat to communities who enact restrictions on fracking operations.

              terrypinder's 3/28 diary. Large 2011 Oklahoma quake quite possibly tied to wastewater injection

              Mother Jones' excellent article on the study, with a cool animated gif near the bottom of the first page that really clarifies what is happening at the wells and below the ground.
              Fracking's Latest Scandal? Earthquake Swarms

              The rest of the world is paying a lot more attention, especially in countries severely impacted like Bangladesh -where 1000 schools were flooded last year and their low lying coastal areas are steadily being covered in water.  Al Jazeera's video on the battle in the rest of the world we don't hear much about. You can access part 2 from this YouTube page.
              The Climate Question: Degrees of Change - Part 1

              I think other countries may well drag the US, probably with a lot of corporate kicking and screaming, into serious action on changing our destructive behavior.

              "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

              by Ginny in CO on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 05:59:22 PM PDT

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              •  I do hope that cooler, not greedy heads (1+ / 0-)
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                will prevail.

                "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

                by Lily O Lady on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 10:06:19 PM PDT

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