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  •  If you told me (0+ / 0-)

    you believe in Bigfoot and Santa Claus as an adult would I be justified in calling you deluded? If you believe that the GOP has your best interests at heart, could I call you deluded? If you believe that Lee Harvey Oswald killed Kennedy, acting alone, could I call you deluded?

    If I believe you have been duped or are, in fact, deluded, can I call you deluded?

    Or must I play the game of, well you can believe what you like, bit I think...

    You are free to call me deluded because I believe the Earth is billions of years old and the universe is roughly 13.7 billion years old. You are free to call me deluded because I believe there is life on other planets, we just haven't found evidence of it, yet. You are free to call me deluded because I believe that all religion is the result of man's foolishness and attempts to co-opt God for their own nefarious purposes.

    Go ahead, I won't mind.

    Because I know I'm right and am capable of arguing for my positions from a position of strength.

    Only people who believe they are owed a free pass and that they have a right never to be questioned or disagreed with play the "how dare you?" card.

    If you have an argument to make, make it. But don't complain that you should never be questioned.

    •  I love how you pivot (0+ / 0-)

      from "It's disrespectful to call someone deluded" to 'Don't complain that you should never be questioned' in a post where you proudly proclaim that you argue from a position of strength.

      You deceptively shift the goalposts to defend your right to be a dick to other people -- and ironically, are trying to argue that other people have no business telling you that you're being disrespectful when you do it.

      So you're arguing that you have the right to be jerky to other people, but they shouldn't tell you not to be jerky to other people.

      Do you see no levels of screaming hypocrisy in this line of thinking?

      We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

      by raptavio on Tue Mar 26, 2013 at 11:48:44 AM PDT

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      •  No. (0+ / 0-)

        I never said you don't have the right to call me a jerk (who's moving the goal posts again?) I said you can't expect people to always be nice and that disagreement isn't being a jerk.

        It's not.

        And even if it is, it's childish to imagine you can courtesy police all people at all times. Sometimes people, in the heat of the moment, don't finesse their arguments (go back and read your own post and tell me that's not true).

        Be a grown up. Take it in stride. Understand the adult position that when people disagree, they are often less than polite about it. So what? Have a little backbone.


        (See how I didn't whine and blubber about being called a dick and a hypocrite, even though I never once called you anything of the sort? That's called being a grown up. But just to be fair, Hypocrite much?)

        Like way too many people, you make weak and sophistic arguments -- actually not even arguments, just blanket declarations -- then whinge when people call you on them. You have a right to your own opinions, but you don't have a right to never be called on them. Just because you feel something deeply doesn't make you right.

        •  Yes, you did (0+ / 0-)

          whine and blubber -- by loudly announcing you're not whining and blubbering. Which is exactly what I expected you to do.

          Here's a hint: We all are dicks to people sometimes. We are also all hypocritical sometimes. Get over it.

          At the core of all your bluster, however, is a fundamental fallacy: That disagreement requires disrespect, or rather, that one can hide disrespect in the cloak of disagreement. That's fundamentally false. One can say "I don't believe in religion and I don't see the value in doing so" without saying "You are religious, therefore you're deluded." The former is making a statement about your beliefs. The latter is insulting someone else for disagreeing.

          And ya know what? If you want to do either, that's your right. It's also my right to tell you that if you're doing the latter, you're being a dick.

          Don't like it? Well then, quit whining and blubbering at me for disagreeing with you.

          We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

          by raptavio on Wed Mar 27, 2013 at 08:44:35 AM PDT

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