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  •  That is the problem. (7+ / 0-)

    On subject after subject, particularly on these "social issues" it is very easy to just listen to like minded people and completely ignore the wider world.
    It seems those on the bell curve tails often fail to recognize the big middle bulge of mixed views.

    I find this particularly true of certain religious populations. They go to church and hear "authority," then socialize only within the congregation and hear it all reinforced and, worst, when they are exposed outside the circle they retreat. There are people in my neighborhood that only associate with fellow church members. It is their world.

    Compounding that is an odd Janus concept. The "outside world" is hostile, willing to persecute them for their beliefs and not at all good. Still, somehow, their world, the "good world" is the majority and their god is on his throne . . .

    Anecdotal, but I've occasionally had these weird conversations in which someone within one of these bubbles is truly puzzled and shocked with the news that just maybe they really are expressing a minority view and other views in disagreement are not just one held by a few "evil doers" or heathens.

    Unfortunately, we have on our side some that are just as unrealistic and isolated from a larger world. I've run into some sincere and dedicated progressives that held a narrow view and seemed certain "most people" really—at least secretly—tended to agree.

    The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

    by pelagicray on Mon Mar 25, 2013 at 07:09:11 PM PDT

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    •  First rule! (3+ / 0-)
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      Never assume anything about people and their opinions.

      •  Assuming the wider population holds some view (2+ / 0-)
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        because "all my friends" or "associates" or other limited group hold that view is somewhat natural and a big mistake.

        I've heard scientifically literate people sincerely say "most people" don't challenge evolution when the numbers of pretty good polling indicates that is not exactly true here in the U.S. It is only "most people" in the areas they select to live and circles in which they move.

        It happens in a wider scope. I've had new travelers, reasonably well read, sincerely assuming that people in some other country in which we've met really hold some treasured "American value" in the same regard they and other countrymen do. I've seen some react with shock when it becomes evident that, no, here people really do not value that rather peculiar view. "Rugged individualism" or the "nuclear family" are examples.

        It is very easy to fall into the trap of seeing the world through the lens of our location and individual circle and most of us, at least to some extent, self select to like minded people. So, it would not surprise me at all to find Bauer is absolutely sincere, a true believer, in "skewed polls" here just as many were apparently just as certain Romney had it won hands down.

        The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

        by pelagicray on Tue Mar 26, 2013 at 04:51:04 AM PDT

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    •  They really do believe (1+ / 0-)
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      They really do believe they're mainstream and have "inside information" the rest of us are not privy to.  

      That's why it was so easy for them to delude themselves into believing Obama was going to lose the election.  

      They're just special little snowflakes and have God on their side.  God wouldn't let a Godless Democrat win or a let one "godless sodomite" marry another.  

      God just wouldn't do that.  

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