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  •  UNC Honor Court ok with rapists (4+ / 0-)
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    it's just the victims they don't like

    My heroes have the heart to live the life I want to live.

    by JLFinch on Tue Mar 26, 2013 at 09:39:31 AM PDT

    •  Horror Court is a mess (3+ / 0-)
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      I can only say that every university I attended had honor courts that were miserable experiences for victims. The fault is with the format and with the university format.

      Everyone is innocent of some crime.

      by The Geogre on Tue Mar 26, 2013 at 11:23:29 AM PDT

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      •  Also (2+ / 0-)
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        the kinds of people who get onto the Honor Courts are those who are invested in protecting the existing system and keeping it as it is.  So, they will be a lot less likely to give a fair hearing to anyone they perceive is threatening it.

        inning coach making tasteless quasi-racist jokes?  You'

        •  Sorry about that (3+ / 0-)
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          I was writing some examples and inadvertently posted when I thought I was hitting "Cancel."  Wish Kos had a delete function!

        •  Self-selection is a bias (2+ / 0-)
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          We have to remember that volunteers are a bias. Who wants to be on the honor court, among undergraduates? The Fraternities do. The general student body probably has few people who actually want to be on such a horrible thing. The Fraternities want access because they want to protect themselves. At some universities the "Greek system" is guaranteed two or more spots on the court.

          Which faculty will want to be on that committee? None. It is a) thankless, b) legally tenuous, c) time consuming. I would assume faculty present are assigned a position as part of the ad hoc committee assignment process, which means that the faculty don't want to be there and could come from any department -- high math or soil science or theater or marketing.

          Administration on the court will not be interested in cover ups per se, but they will be interested in good press for the school. They will be, "Nah, no crime was committed here" in most cases because they think that makes the school look better. When I was at Emory, a large pile of cocaine was innocent at the honor court before it was found guilty by U.S. law. The administrators aren't evil or trying to be calloused. They're just corporate weasels with higher IQ's and much lower pay.

          Everyone is innocent of some crime.

          by The Geogre on Tue Mar 26, 2013 at 05:09:40 PM PDT

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        •  Re (3+ / 0-)

          I don't think they'd give the accused a fair hearing, especially in cases like this one.

          In any case, for serious criminal matters the Honor Courts do not have forensics, actual lawyers, or any of the other specialists that go with a real court system. They are a joke: useful for academic dishonesty maybe, but not much else.

          (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
          Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

          by Sparhawk on Tue Mar 26, 2013 at 06:48:44 PM PDT

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