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    The poll doesn't ask about universal background checks.  Conceivably, some respondents might have thought the poll was asking about the present NICS system.  Also, it makes no mention of transfer records, which is the sticking point in the debate over background checks.

    Universal background check means something far different to me than it means to you, or Meteor Blades.  Until there is a genuine consensus on what that entails, a poll that doesn't even use the term in the questions isn't exactly a good measure of its support.

    When God gives you lemons, you find a new god.

    by Patrick Costighan on Tue Mar 26, 2013 at 07:54:11 PM PDT

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    •  that poll doesn't answer the question (5+ / 0-)

      these do.

      Quinnipiac University national and statewide polls conducted since the December 14 Newtown massacre consistently find overwhelming support for universal background checks, including among voters in households where there are guns.

      A March 7 poll of voters nationwide by the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University shows 88 - 10 percent support for universal background checks, including 85 - 13 percent among gun owners. Results of statewide surveys show:

      Florida, March 21, 91 - 8 percent support, including 88 - 11 percent among gun owners;

      Connecticut, March 6, 93 - 6 percent support, including 89 - 9 percent among gun owners;

      Ohio, March 1, 90 - 8 percent, including 86 - 12 percent among gun owners;

      Pennsylvania, January 30, 95 - 5 percent, including 95 - 4 percent among gun owners;

      New Jersey, January 24, 96 - 3 percent, including 95 - 5 percent among gun owners;

      Virginia, January 10, 92 - 7 percent, including 91 - 7 percent among gun owners.

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      by Greg Dworkin on Tue Mar 26, 2013 at 08:23:49 PM PDT

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      •  asdf (0+ / 0-)

        The March 22 poll didn't show the crosstabs, but unless it's substantially different from the March 7 national (or the state polls), the question was: "Do you favor or oppose requiring background checks for all gun buyers?"

        Again, no use of the term "universal background check."  Again, a question which the respondent could easily neglect private sales.

        When God gives you lemons, you find a new god.

        by Patrick Costighan on Tue Mar 26, 2013 at 08:32:05 PM PDT

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        •  Seriously? True, an ungawdly portion... (4+ / 0-)

          ...of the American public is functionally illiterate. But you're going to go to the mat over whether universal equates with all in the vernacular of anyone who has emerged with a passing grade from junior high school?

          Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

          by Meteor Blades on Wed Mar 27, 2013 at 12:41:59 AM PDT

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          •  No, MB, thats not the point (1+ / 0-)
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            If the polling thrown about in some of these discussions were an accurate reflection of reality, we would be seeing different results.  Clearly some factor (s) is (are) being missed.  One possible cause is that polling is asking telephone respondents, which is a sub-demographic in and of itself, a generalized binary question whereas when we get down to the specifics of the implementation support quickly wains.  This has been a problem with gun restrictions polling since the beginning.  In fact, it is true with a lot of issues, such as "closing tax loopholes". Lots of people say they support it in the abstract but as soon as you mention specifics that impact them, they change their opinion.

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            I'm going to go to the mat on whether respondents equate "gun buyers" and "gun purchases" with friends and family members trading arms or a handshake deal with some guy over Craigslist.  

            When God gives you lemons, you find a new god.

            by Patrick Costighan on Wed Mar 27, 2013 at 03:39:30 AM PDT

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        •  Once again, you fall back on your own weird (3+ / 0-)
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          ... semantics.

          Yesterday, you claimed that NYC residents who moved their guns beyond city limits in 1991 had their weapons "confiscated."

          Today, you want to say that "universal" is not the same as "all."

          I guess when that's all you have to defend your fibs and indefensible positions, that's what you pull out of your rear end.

          Suggested liberal gun lovers' motto: "More liberal than the NRA on everything except guns."

          by Bob Johnson on Wed Mar 27, 2013 at 06:32:17 AM PDT

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      •  Also (0+ / 0-)

        The Bloomberg Center poll I linked to earlier asks respondents if they favor: "[r]equiring a background check system for all gun sales to make sure a purchaser is not legally prohibited from having a gun."

        I get it; there's a messaging strategy at play here and it serves the President well to have the NRA appear besieged even by its own membership.  Might work in spooking the periphery into backing strong gun control measures.  Fair enough; I stay out of the expressly political gun control diaries precisely for that reason.  But I hope that we're not confusing the messaging strategy for reality, because as of January, a survey of NRA members found 98 percent viewed their organization favorably; 89 percent very much so.  And they were pretty overwhelming in their opposition to registration.  

        When God gives you lemons, you find a new god.

        by Patrick Costighan on Tue Mar 26, 2013 at 08:41:36 PM PDT

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        •  Membership survey. Crosstabs? Methodology?... (4+ / 0-)

          ...Number of respondents? Given it's an NRA-commissioned private poll published for all to see, I am no more trusting of it than I am of purported internal polling of candidates that are suddenly leaked publicly, most particularly since NRA leaders have been caught in bald-face lies more than once.

          Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

          by Meteor Blades on Wed Mar 27, 2013 at 12:48:19 AM PDT

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