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  •  Upon implantation, the blood begins pumping (3+ / 0-)
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    GreenMother, JBraden, Creosote

    from the host to the fetus, so just because you can "hear" this on an ultrasound at 6-8 weeks, doesn't mean the pumping only just started, so this is a totally bogus arbitrary date

    either it is a life with a "hearbeat" from the beginning or not, and whatever the answer, the woman is in charge of the outcome, period

    •  No, wrong (1+ / 0-)
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      At 6-8 weeks the fetus' OWN heart is beating. You are not hearing the mothers blood being pumped to the fetus because this NEVER happens. The mothers blood and fetal blood is only exchanged through the placenta because the blood cells are small enough to exchange through the placental membrane. The mother's heart is pumping her own blood, the fetus' heart is pumping its own blood, and the blood might mix a little as it passes by the placental membrane.

      I know nobody wants to acknowledge the science of fetal development and life because they might have to admit they are committing murder with an abortion, but the science speaks for itself.

      •  But a "hearbeat" is still an arbitrary date (0+ / 0-)

        and you seem to think it is murder from implantation or even conception, right? so any date after NEVER is the only real date of "life." may be life it is still INSIDE another free human and that human mother will answer to whatever god there is and people need to accept this is none of their business

        •  Don't get me wrong (0+ / 0-)

          I'm not saying the government should have any say at all on whether a woman can legally receive an abortion or not. I guess that makes me pro-choice and pro-life at the same time? I'm just saying that the original post was factually wrong and that at 6 weeks you are indeed hearing the fetus' own heartbeat - unless I misunderstood you.

          And you are correct, I believe "life" begins at implantation. I also believe that an abortion is a medical procedure that might be necessary for any number of reasons and the only people who should be involved in the decision are the women and her doctor. So, while I do believe that aborting a fetus is indeed ending a life (or "murder", hyperbole), I also understand that my views should not be forced upon others.

          •  Thanks, I was wrong and that is odd (1+ / 0-)
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            because I had 3 IVFs and was desparate to hear "heartbeats"!

            I hoped those clumps of cells were a baby so I understand it is "life" yet after 3 IVFs it is clear that it was OUR tissue and OUR business


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