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  •  We forget about the sexual assaults as part (6+ / 0-)

    of the War Evil we've unleashed. Even without the massive deaths, mutilations, and destruction we always think of first, this alone would be reason enough to stop our lunatic wars.

    Now that I'm thinking of the broader view on the Eternal War: remember when troops were doing tour upon tour, people stopped signing up, and the government lowered standards and criminal gang members were signing up in bunches? I wonder how that has developed.

    Also, there's the reality of "Christian" Dominionists perverting the military/air force. And other pseudo-Christian propaganda arms having sway. Has that been stymied any?

    We see more Gifts of Evil from the Wars the longer we look.

    I wonder about those million or so refugees from Syria. How many of those were first refugees from Iraq?


    If Republicans said every 3rd person named "Smith" should hang, we'd bargain them to every 7th. Then we'll see apologia written praising this most pragmatic compromise. There's our losing formula.

    by Jim P on Tue Mar 26, 2013 at 09:20:59 PM PDT

    •  MST isn't a war-time thing. Its an all the time (1+ / 0-)
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      thing, that the DoD has refused to deal with historically. The DoD feels forced to look into this, because as the percentage of female members goes up, sadly so do the incredible female-heavy MST reports, and thanks to movies, and activists and sadly scandals, the DoD is forced to at least pretend to address this from time to time.

      The religious stuff, I believe does play a part. Because it inculcates this notion that women in male dominated careers is some how wrong, and those women should be punished [see gender policing]. I encountered that first hand in my time. And it was pointed out, by an investigative team, from an Ivy League School during the Air Force Academy Rape scandal as well.

      •  Predictability (0+ / 0-)

        People act like the military is part of civil society.  It isn't.  It is a purposefully mind-warping culture that breaks down barriers against killing other humans.  I was an Army officer.

        People are amazed that when you take 18-30 year old male soldiers, stick them in a hellhole where they are lonely and see death, deprived of sex, and they behave badly.  Duh.   Do you know else men do in combat zones?  Well, they kill civilians, like in Haditha.  They shoot wounded enemy, like captured in a documentary on Dutch soldiers in Afghanistan, or marines in the assault on Fallujah.   They rape civilians.  Ya'll are so naive.  Raping fellow soldiers is one of the lesser evils that comes out of war.  Ask the Iraqi families who had their fathers gunned down by an Apache helicopter pilot who had bloodlust- search wikileaks Apache for footage.  

        Anyone who volunteered to go in the Army since we found no WMD in Iraq gets what they deserve- they are pawns in geopolitical stupidity.  Hey women- if you join the Army, you have a good chance of being raped.  Hey soldiers- if you join the Army, you will be likely sent to a hellhole where people hate you, and you may have to kill them, in a war without purpose.

        You all care more about the soldiers getting raped than the hundreds of the civilians getting killed by drone strikes in Pakistan.

        •  I don't agree with your assessment (0+ / 0-)

          Being a military person doesn't preclude the ability to be an ethical person or a kind person. Nor does being exposed to deprivations of various kinds.

          What warps a soul, is when deprivations are imposed, for the amusement of watching someone suffer. That can happen within or outside of the military.

          We need our military. Sadly many people over the years have come to the conclusions you have made here, not realizing that when you sign that contract, you are government property, and it is our Legislature, and the Commander and Chief who determines if the military goes to war, the reasons behind that march to war, and how that war will be conducted ultimately.

          If you have a problem with the way the military is run, with the missions it undertakes or cultural problems that you see within it, you must address the correct authorities.

          Your average enlisted folk and lower ranking officers do not make these calls, and can do nothing to counter them, unless they all want to end up like Bradley Manning.

          So don't lay the mindset for mindless violence at the feet of the military, when its simple to encounter that culture everywhere in this country while being nowhere near a military base or a person in uniform.

          The problem with rape and MST in the military is reflective of society's unrealistic views of women, sexuality, gender, and sex. It is worse in the military because it is a closed system. One cannot just leave. And it is very very difficult to change from the bottom up--just ask Gay soldiers.

          Training people in the use of force, and deadly force isn't an instant recipe for inhumanity. For that you have to look at the unofficial policies, that exist between the cracks of Military Regulations.

          •  You view through an unclear lense (0+ / 0-)
            What warps a soul, is when deprivations are imposed, for the amusement of watching someone suffer. That can happen within or outside of the military.
            No, what warps a soul is scraping your buddy off of the roof of a hummv after it hits an IED.  It doesn't have to be a pithy experience.

            We don't need our military.  It is a bloated $750bn a year industrial complex.  We spend more than the next 6 nations combined yearly.  

            I do not absolve enlisted and junior officers from blame.  Anyone who enlisted since we invaded Iraq didn't do their homework.  They have a duty as a citizen to do so.

            Gay men shouldn't join the military, either.  No one should.  Boycott it.

            The problem with rape and MST in the military is reflective of society's unrealistic views of women, sexuality, gender, and sex.
            You have the unrealistic view.  Combat stresses people and as a result more of them become rapists, killers, and commit suicide.  The military is full of PTSD sufferers- you think they're going to create a social utopia?  You ever met a badly affected veteran?  Don't look for social justice- you're dealing with a person who is just trying to get through the day.
            Training people in the use of force, and deadly force isn't an instant recipe for inhumanity. For that you have to look at the unofficial policies, that exist between the cracks of Military Regulations.
            War and inhumanity conflate back to the origins of humanity.  Combat is the recipe for inhumanity.  Let's see how human you or I would be after two weeks in Stalingrad in 1942.  Or after humping through Afghani boondocks with 110 lb packs for two weeks, waiting to get ambushed.  

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