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  •  Exactly. They should choose to go elsewhere. (2+ / 0-)
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    This is a private college.  If they want to insist on uniforms, or no leaving the dorms after 9, or religious participation to attend other classes, or no hats on Fridays or whatever other dumb rule they have....it is still a private school and thus can make a 10 inch thick book of rules, if they want.

    Everyone attending this school has done so by choice and by signing up and paying for the services.  If they are not Catholic or do not agree with the rules, then go somewhere else and take their money to a place that believes as they do.  

    It is really that simple.

    •  It is only that simple if the rules are spelled (1+ / 0-)
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      out in advance.  If students go the University knowing that there will no coverage of contraceptives in the student health program, fine; they made that choice.  But if the University suddenly decides that distribution by individuals is against their rules, then the entering student has not had fair warning.

      •  They are definitely aware that promoting (2+ / 0-)
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        Catholic values is part of the mission of the university.  See my post above quoting from their website.  

        Students at a private school who actively undermine the mission of the university (no matter how ridiculous they think that mission is) don't need "direct notice" that the specific conduct undermines their mission.  Do they need to say, "If you stand in the quad and give a speech about the Pope being evil, we will take disciplinary action"?  Do they need to spell out everything you could possibly do to undermine Catholic teaching?  of course not.  You CHOOSE a school that tells you UP FRONT it is about promoting Catholic values.  If you feel compelled to undermine Catholic values, you should choose another school.  

      •  Honestly. If you are unaware that you might have (1+ / 0-)
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        a little problem handing out birth control in the hallways of a Catholic university, then you might need to reconsider higher education in any regard.

        My goodness....this is really a "duh" kind of quandary.  The answer is so simple it's not even questionable.

        •  when the college, itself, provides contraception, (0+ / 0-)

          any conflict manifested by the institution becomes more academic than you describe it.

          It seems curiosity has killed the cat that had my tongue.

          by Murphoney on Wed Mar 27, 2013 at 11:13:50 AM PDT

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          •  No, the college doesn't "provide contraception" (0+ / 0-)

            You pointed out that the law forces them to provide a health insurance policy that covers contraception if the beneficiary of that policy chooses to use it.  

            Really, this is kind of a hypocritical statement.  The Administration, and many many many people here argue that it's not a violation of their Free Exercise rights under the First Amendment to be forced to provide health insurance that includes contraception, because they aren't forced to actually provide contraception itself, but only health care coverage.  If that's what you believe, then you can't turn around and argue that they are violating their own religious beliefs by providing health insurance that covers contraception.

            •  your distinciton is thinner than a razor's edge, (0+ / 0-)

              and one that the Church, proper, doesn't recognize and has argued against directly.

              It seems curiosity has killed the cat that had my tongue.

              by Murphoney on Wed Mar 27, 2013 at 12:04:00 PM PDT

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              •  So you think that the ACA is unconstitutional (1+ / 0-)
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                because forcing a Catholic institution to offer health insurance that includes contraception violates their religious principles?

                That's why the Catholic church has filed some 40 lawsuits against the ACA.  You seem to be siding with them -- that it violates their religious principles to offer health insurance with contraception coverage, so they can't complain when their students undermine their religious principles.  

                In contrast, my view is that, as you pointed out, BC is complying with the law. I do not think that means that they have given up all rights to promote Catholic teaching on their campus.  No matter how ridiculous their religious teaching may seem, that does not mean that they have to tolerate students handing out condoms on their campus any more than they have to tolerate atheists promoting the idea that there is no God on campus, any more than they have to tolerate the people saying the Pope is evil on campus, or a whole host of other things that would undermine their religious teachings.  

                People are certainly entitled to think whatever they want about Catholic teachings.  They simply aren't allowed to use a private Catholic university to undermine those Catholic teachings unless the private Catholic university chooses to allow it.  

                •  The College, itself, admits that the law sees B.C. (0+ / 0-)

                  as a non-profit institution affiliated with but separate from The Church.  As the separate institution, it does not enjoy the exemption that a Church Institution does.

                  It seems curiosity has killed the cat that had my tongue.

                  by Murphoney on Wed Mar 27, 2013 at 03:24:09 PM PDT

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                  •  It is a private college. They can have any rules (0+ / 0-)

                    they wish.  If you don't like them, you can leave or never show up to begin with.  It makes no difference if the private college is a church one or not, it is a private college.

                    •  Whether the ACA is Constitutional does NOT (0+ / 0-)

                      rely on colleges being "not-private."

                      B.C. isn't a "Catholic Institution", it is a private institution -- a private college does NOT get to make up its own rules under the ACA law.

                      It seems curiosity has killed the cat that had my tongue.

                      by Murphoney on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 03:57:18 PM PDT

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