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  •  Of course I do! Sorry if I gave that impression (2+ / 0-)
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    koseighty, Batya the Toon

    What I'm trying, in my apparently clumsy fashion, to point out is that the image of "what makes a man" has, like the definition of marriage, seen some rather drastic changes.

    I did say some of them.

    The same goes for women.  A hundred years ago, a woman wearing pants would have been seen as distastefully "mannish."  A hundred years before that, total social ostracism -- despite short hair and a fashion for military-styled jackets over one's filmy Empire dresses.  A hundred years before that, possible prison or even death for impersonating a man, which was actually a crime on the books.

    History should teach humility and prudence, but America doesn't seem to learn. I've never seen a virgin who loses her innocence so often. -- Gordon Wood

    by stormicats on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 02:48:08 PM PDT

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    •  Oh, that much is definitely true. (2+ / 0-)
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      koseighty, stormicats

      I still feel it was a terrible loss when vivid colors and silks and velvets and brocades and lace fell out of men's formal wear.  But at the time, none of those things were considered "womanish."

      (I kind of felt like your paragraph about that was conflating three things -- men wearing ornate clothing, men wearing women's clothing, and gay men -- when those things aren't really related.  It's a topic I get frustrated about a lot, and I'm glad to know the conflation I perceived wasn't intentional.)

      The funny thing is that for most of European and American history, gender roles and gender-appropriate fashions have been seen as pretty rigid, almost as laws of nature ... and yet those roles and those fashions have changed and changed and changed again, and every time the new roles and fashions were considered as unchangeable as the last set.

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