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  •  The foiled massacre shooter in FLA was also (4+ / 0-)
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    on campus security radar. He was still living in the dorm but hadn't registered for any classes.

    If he had been living alone in a dorm room, he very well may have succeed with his plan. The wrinkle of his roommate locking himself in the bathroom and calling the police shredded his fantasy and bravado before he was able to enact his plan.

    "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

    by LilithGardener on Wed Mar 27, 2013 at 02:45:52 PM PDT

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    •  That is very interesting (1+ / 0-)
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      Thank you for sharing that information.

      I really feel that this issue of how police respond to a report that a person is a danger to others, particularly campus police, is a critical piece of this puzzle.  If we could crack that nut, it could make a real difference.  

      This issue lies, as most difficult issues do, at the intersection of personal civil rights, and the over-riding public interest to keep people safe from dangerous persons.   We had a pendulum swing towards personal civil rights in the last few decades that has resulted in a situation where, when a person is recognized by authorities  or persons in the community as a danger to others, the response is ineffective.     We must empower authorities to act when they suspect a person may shoot or otherwise harm another individual.  This has bearing on violence against women, as well.  It is all part of the same puzzle.

      •  It's another variation on "not my problem" (2+ / 0-)
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        I really feel that this issue of how police respond to a report that a person is a danger to others, particularly campus police, is a critical piece of this puzzle.  If we could crack that nut, it could make a real difference.  
        States with shall issue and no licensing or safety training requirement are doing the same thing. "It's not my problem is someone carries a gun the legally purchased here across state lines and murders his ex-wife with it." The cost will not be born by the state where the gun was purchased.

        "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

        by LilithGardener on Wed Mar 27, 2013 at 03:00:54 PM PDT

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      •  This doesn't seem like an insurmountable problem (1+ / 0-)
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        Off the cuff, what I see as an obvious piece of this is due legal process, which means some form of court order by a judge.  Cops get warrants all the time and in these cases it sounds like there was sufficient time for them to go through such procedures.  The important part would be oversight and process review and not leaving the decision completely in the hands of the LE officers.  There would also need to be a way to expediently rectify any mistakes as well as safe guards to prevent (false) accusations from being used to deny rights in the future.  

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