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  •  Arguments such as these are (7+ / 0-)

    pretty much a waste of time. But that said, I'd like to add a couple of points.

    1. John Kerry's "I voted for it before I voted against it" nonsense was actually a sentence snatched out of context and makes perfect sense when it's shown that he was talking about supporting a bill in one form and not supporting it in the final version.

    2. I supported Ralph Nader in 2000. (I also wrote him in  in 1996.)  He and the resurrected the term "Progressive" and gave it nascent definition for a new generation. That there was an alternative to the tainted liberal, let alone to Democrat and Republican, was the first crack in the dam. There had to be a place to go when voters saw the nightmare they had wrought (with the help of a poor Gore campaign and a deranged Supreme Court).

    I know people who hadn't checked a box for president since 1968 but who voted for Ralph just to let others know they were out there: cynics willing to risk political heartbreak one more time to help bring sanity back to government. And stayed committed to engagement, willing to remain and become part of a Progressive revival.

    We should never forget to be grateful to those who kept progressive-ism alive and fought to spread its awareness through national campaigns.

    Don't ask me nothin' about nothin'. I just might tell ya the truth -- B. Dylan

    by ponderer on Wed Mar 27, 2013 at 04:16:15 PM PDT

    •  That Kerry quote reminds me of (3+ / 0-)
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      the Al Gore internet quote.

      I'm not particularly grateful to Ralph Nader for his 2000 run, though.

      Gondwana has always been at war with Laurasia.

      by AaronInSanDiego on Wed Mar 27, 2013 at 10:38:21 PM PDT

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    •  tipped for the Kerry correction, only (0+ / 0-)

      Nader couldn't have passed a single thing as President.  Protests are fine, but I think voting for President should mean you actually want or expect that person to be President.

      There's never been anything wrong with "liberal."  

      Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

      by Loge on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 09:42:06 AM PDT

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      •  I did want Ralph for president. (0+ / 0-)

        It would have been revolutionary, but given the slow slide into  fascism we were and continue to experience,  I was as ready for revolution than as I am now.

        Of course there is nothing wrong with "liberal", but it had been so smeared during the previous 2 decades that the political world was running "Progressive" was a new way of labeling yourself as a believer in effective roles for government in society and economics that didn't bear the stigma of "big government spender", etc.

        Don't ask me nothin' about nothin'. I just might tell ya the truth -- B. Dylan

        by ponderer on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 10:08:27 AM PDT

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