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  •  Baristas (4+ / 0-)

    Serve you your coffee.  Or in my case, tea. :)

    I think it's such a smart point about climate denial versus climate ignoringness.  My instinct tells me that the ignorers might be easier to engage than the deniers if they have ideas of things to do to help.  Does that make sense from your experience?

    •  yes, some (4+ / 0-)

      in my experience, the ignorers have hidden shame about being selfish. They can´t bring themselves to ... either personally do something like lowering consumption, or expose themselves publically by calling for climate policy ... so they prefer to ignore the whole thing. Maybe a bit like the people who pass by beggars on the street with a rigid forward stare. (Which I have done plentiful myself, not that I am stranger to any of this!)

      The real deniers and real cynicists tend to be in-your-face. Usually with them, discussion quickly ends, and is replaced by cold  mutual rejection. (Well; they remain colleagues. But some colleagues are warm, others are cold).

      With the ignorers I find it no so difficult to be completely at ease, since I can be just like them on occasion, and I know that sometimes the right moment, or the right words have to come, to move people out ... they are movable.

      Now I can let the cat out of the bag that I am in Europe (as citisven knows). It would be mean not to say that along :)

      •  Yes. The Ignorers think we're just being scolds. (4+ / 0-)

        They insist upon having the wiggle room to think it's not as bad as the scientist's say, even if it means parroting Denier talking points that they know are false.

        They demand the right not to change any faster than anyone else. They insist nothing else is truly practical.

        Mindfulness is the first necessity of sanity and survival and the first casualty of Consumer Culture.

        by Words In Action on Wed Mar 27, 2013 at 05:39:29 PM PDT

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        •  And hey, I hear their frustration (2+ / 0-)
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          citisven, John Crapper

          That's why the movement has to be big enough so that when you remember to turn your lights off, you can look across the street or down the hall and know that your neighbor is doing the same because you've talked about it.  And you're not alone, and you feel proud to do your part...

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