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  •  In many to most ways, they *are* (0+ / 0-)
    the GMO giants have intentionally "muddied the waters" and have claimed that what they are doing is exactly what nature does.
    doing exactly what nature, does, just faster! (and more precisely - therefore probably in a more safe manner).

    For example, virtually all the molecular tools used for genetic engineering come from nature - which has being transferring genes willy-nilly throughout "life" for like forever (literally!!).

    •  Just because we can do something doesn't mean (0+ / 0-)

      we must.  Be clear here, this isn't about them "improving" on nature, this is all about greed, damn the consequences.

      And being "faster than nature is not accurate here.  What they're doing is sloppy and when they "insert" a specific gene from a spider into a goat, there are "fragments" of other genes getting into the mix and they're "hoping" they'll get the results they want.

      Since when did nature create "terminator" seeds? Or inter-species creations anywhere similar to what they've done?

      I'm not fooled by their money making schemes.  

      -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

      by gerrilea on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 07:24:00 AM PDT

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      •  A few responses: (0+ / 0-)
        What they're doing is sloppy and when they "insert" a specific gene from a spider into a goat, there are "fragments" of other genes getting into the mix
        No, that's not the case (or in general is not the case) - genes can (and are!) made with great precision.

        Insertion into chromosomes of the target species can be a bit messier - but when this is done with plants (as compared to human embryonic cells, for example) there is no ethical concern in doing the process 100 times, analyzing each of them to check that the gene inserted in a "safe" location, and throwing the rest away . . .

        Since when did nature create "terminator" seeds?
        Umm, this is actually something that anti-GMO activists asked for.  So now that it has been accomplished, isn't it just a tad disingenuous to complain about?

        But if you ask about nature doing this - in apples this is pretty much the case, although the seeds grow, they are virtually useless for propagating crops.  In bananas, this is totally the case . .

        Or inter-species creations anywhere similar to what they've done?
        Genes pass between species all the time - even across substantial evolutionary gaps.  here's a blurb about that  

        Regarding humans about 8% of our genomes is viral in origin - bringing in genes not only from the viruses themselves, but from god only knows where.  And if you think that's a rare event, it's not - since the human genome  is 3 billion bps, 8% is 240,000,000.  Most viruses are 10,000 bp or smaller - so such a gene transfer events must have taken place at 24,000 times in human history / pre-history.

        i.e,. basically "all the time"

        •  Your own link shows no such thing occurring (0+ / 0-)

          in vertebrates.

          It's an assumption and a theory that cannot be proven.

          While this mechanism has been confirmed in invertebrates, it's unclear whether it occurs in vertebrates, said Dunning Hotopp. Heritable lateral gene transfer is unlikely, she noted, because bacteria are not usually found in or near vertebrate germ cells. The process could happen between bacteria and vertebrate somatic cells, she said, but since those genes would not get inherited by offspring, it would be "incredibly difficult to detect or study" even if it is widespread, she said.

          We cannot legitimately know when they do their "gene-splicing" how the genes will express themselves in the host.

          What's been proven already that their creations have not helped anyone but hurt people.  And this isn't a debatable point any longer.

           

          -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

          by gerrilea on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 05:39:52 PM PDT

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