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  •  what are you, a Freeper? (2+ / 0-)
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    have some more lavender lemonade and take your fucking right wing "sooooo 9/11!!!" shit where i don't have to see it.  

    •  It's bait, don't take it (4+ / 0-)

      Frank can't actually explain why the unpopular Congress opposing the President means anything, because we're aware of things like gerrymandering, Republican greed for power, and that a million more folks voted for Democrats and yet this is the House of Representatives that we get.

      But from the abusive uprates, it's clear that they're watching and sending in the free range gun enthusiasts to troll up something worth HRing. I reported this behavior to the admins some time ago.

      We demanded a plan to reduce gun violence. Now it's time to demand a vote.

      by tytalus on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 06:42:08 PM PDT

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      •  i know you are right (3+ / 0-)
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        thank you for being the voice of reason, tytalus.

      •  I can tell you why the highly unpopular Congress (1+ / 0-)
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        cleaning Obama's clock on this issue means something:
        'Elections'.

        Americans don't respond well to being told that they must give up their liberties for your fears.

        Gun Control is losing this debate.
        Obama is losing trust because of it.
        The Democratic party will suffer because of it.

        You wanted this.
        You got this.
        Now you get to own this.

        Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

        by FrankRose on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 06:57:22 PM PDT

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        •  That's your opinion, sir (3+ / 0-)
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          I see you're still not backing it up with more than hot air. This is why I write about sources with credible evidential support. It's much more interesting than the RKBA mythology that you're preaching here.

          Admittedly, though, it is interesting to contemplate the version of reality you're in where this impassioned sentiment seems legitimate.  :)

          We demanded a plan to reduce gun violence. Now it's time to demand a vote.

          by tytalus on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 07:24:14 PM PDT

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          •  Oh? You mean other than... (2+ / 0-)
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            Far less support for gun control today than in 1994?

            Other than....
            Public support for gun control waning the more it is talked about.

            Other than....
            All of it resulting inObama being trusted less on this issue than the least popular congress in history?

            Other than that?

            Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

            by FrankRose on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 07:30:22 PM PDT

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            •  Nice try, Frank (3+ / 0-)
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              SoCalSal, Avila, LilithGardener

              but I see you're ignoring this diary, which addresses your first two points, and MB's own diary, which addresses the last. I'm sure he will appreciate you abusing his work. I suppose I can add his comments on the headline, since you won't.

              But trust is a complicated issue that can be influenced by many things, both objective and subjective, including ignorance and bigotry. When people respond to a poll question on where they place their trust, a lot more goes into their answers than merely their opinion on the issue itself. Perhaps pollsters should ask questions not about trust, but rather along the lines of: President Obama says we should pass legislation requiring a ban on semi-automatic assault weapons and Republicans say we should not. Do you agree with the Republicans or the president?

              Just being asked that question with its straightforward statement of fact would inform the respondent about who actually supports a particular piece of legislation and generate a more useful reply than a who-do-you-trust inquiry.

              It's a shame that you feel the need to ignore the discussion here and abuse people's work in such a disingenuous manner, but it speaks for itself.

              We demanded a plan to reduce gun violence. Now it's time to demand a vote.

              by tytalus on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 07:46:52 PM PDT

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              •  His comments are his opinion. (2+ / 0-)
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                The numbers showing that the least popular congress in history has more trust than Obama on this issue is fact.

                Your 'addressing' of the first two points is opinion.
                Gun control having less support now than in 1994 is fact.
                Waning public support for gun control, with a majority opposed to it, is fact.

                You are dealing in nothing but 'hot air'.

                Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                by FrankRose on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 07:56:16 PM PDT

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                •  your comments are opinion - the FoxNews (1+ / 0-)
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                  LilithGardener

                  version, or hate radio like Hannity or Rush.  

                  sorry, Pete.  your opinions really don't matter but President Obama's will for years after you and your OK Corral buds are forgotten like the hot air you truly are.

                  •  Actually it is verifiable fact. Hence the links. (2+ / 0-)
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                    Patrick Costighan, andalusi

                    Your comment is HRable dreck.
                    Hence, the lack of links.

                    And we already know whose viewpoint on this issue is irrelevant and impotent.
                    I would just rather you wouldn't drag the party down with you.

                    Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                    by FrankRose on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 08:33:15 PM PDT

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