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  •  Why would a wealthy donor class (4+ / 0-)
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    advocate for the reduction of their privileges. Don't look for this kind of thing to happen. It will take nothing short of the poor, working class, and middle class pushing for a change in the balance of economic power.

    "Today is who you are" - my wife

    by I Lurked For Years on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 10:37:23 AM PDT

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    •  It depends .. (4+ / 0-)

      on who the wealthy are ... obviously the Koch brothers aren't going to advocate that .. since they are super-rich d-bags ... but someone like Springsteen would ... because he knows a rising tide lifts all boats

    •  Because it serves their interests too (4+ / 0-)

      'Liberal' economics is good for the rich.

      I like saying that, so I'll say it again:  'Liberal' economics is good for the rich.

      Sure, you can cite all those (accurate) graphs showing that the Dow Jones and the GDP increase under Democrats and not the GOP.

      But I'm talking philosophically too.

      I'm a liberal because I'm a selfish mo-fo, not because I'm a do-gooder.  

      Everyone is selfish, imo.  But, you can be short-term selfish (i.e., GOP, I'd argue), or long-term selfish (i.e., Dems, I'd argue).

      My selfish point of view is that it's better FOR ME and MY family if everyone is healthy, educated, stable, etc.  

      For example: (1) sick people running the streets with TB is not good for me (therefore: public health coverage), (2) uneducated jobless people with nothing at stake breeds crime and recklessness, which endangers me (therefore good education, jobs, etc.), etc - you get the idea.

      So I always think the rich should favor left economic policy (at least to the extent of what passes for "left" in the U.S. anyway).

      •  Wealth is accumulated (0+ / 0-)

        by a strong impulse for "more" (I would argue that these people are the actual "takers" of "maker vs taker" theory. they've got it backwards. the worker produces the good or service and the owner takes the profits)

        To reach the level of an influential political donor one must have accumulated vast wealth and as such will most probably have exercised their "more" impulse with great vigor for many years. I would guess there are extremely few who would be willing to resist the immediate base impulse for the kind of long-term big-picture thinking which you describe.

        I could be wrong, but the historical evidence doesn't seem to point that way...

        "Today is who you are" - my wife

        by I Lurked For Years on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 11:42:25 AM PDT

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        •  You make they same mistake they do (0+ / 0-)

          You're vastly underestimating the role that "luck" plays in making people rich.  Psychopathy is overrepresented, true, but there's a healthy sub-section of normal and even genuinely good people among the rich.  

          The support of the wealthy class is instrumental in making lasting economic changes.  Don't forget that FDR himself was a silver-spoon richie rich.  He sold his policies to the rich and the poor.  Social policies like Social Security and Medicare don't get passed without support from the rich.

          Still, I too would feel better about this if it were coming on the heels of a similar announcement about economic policies.

          From such crooked wood as that which man is made of, nothing straight can be fashioned. -Immanuel Kant

          by Nellebracht on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 02:50:03 PM PDT

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      •  Could not agree with you more! (1+ / 0-)
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        This has been exactly my argument for years.  I'm not rich but am "well off", I guess.  And I'm one of the few liberals in my social circle (I know, I need more friends). But I always ask these people if they really want to live in a banana republic?  Because that's what we're going to end up with here, if things keep going this way.  Even as a kid I could see the critical importance of a strong middle class to a strong America.  Why can't the rich folks see that too?  

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