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  •  OK, YucatanMan...fair enough (2+ / 0-)
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    auron renouille, YucatanMan

    You said:

    Are the superstructures sufficiently survivable from missile attacks?  Naval gunnery or bombs?
    The ships were never designed for traditional naval warfare, so they are not going to absorb the punishment of more "survivable" ship classes.  However, if those ships were adaptable to the mission of the LCS, we wouldn't be having this discussion.  We drive smaller cars rather than Hummers because they are more efficient for the lives we lead.  I do not mean to minimize the survival issue relative to this vessel (I am a Navy vet), but the fact of the matter is that these ships were built to combat threats such as the Somali pirate attacks.  You would not send this ship into naval battle, you would tell it to run.

    On the face of it, any criticism coming directly from Naval flag officers should bear two points in mind.  One, cost is relative.  All ship class incurred more expenses than planned when ramping up and LCS has been fairly efficient in comparison. The savings grow once design is solidified and the process of production is streamlined through experience.  That is a common experience for all large projects.  Two, this is NOT a traditional Navy vessel and there would be backlash regardless.  I don't dispute the heart of what the VADM is saying, but I suspect the news article is stripping out some context.  We tend to take the facts we like in a vacuum.

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    I'm still interested in knowing inside information that would increase the understanding of this very expensive weapons system.
    I cannot speak to the end-to-end thought process that went into structural design, so I'm no expert on shipbuilding.  What I did do on the prototype vessel is have a not insignificant hand in installation, redesign and operational verification of the ship's entire computer, sensors and communications systems.  I can tell you that as much as possible, the design embraced COTS (Commerical Off The Shelf) technology that streamlined and reduced maintainability contrast with traditional Naval models.  I've spent a career working on militarized equipment the size of a broom closet that I now could fit on my smart phone.

    Any company, in this case Lockheed, seeks to decrease costs on a project this large because they want to sell more ships.  They want efficiency and they want a quality product.  Most on this board are content to beat up on the government for the entire decision process but don't need much input to feel that way.  All I'm saying about the project as we do not have all relative facts and are therefore jumping to desired conclusions.  I think this program, like many large government programs, has good intent and is good for the country in large measure...but could always stand to ingest improvement.

    Don't no one disturb the peace for riot. Don't no one disrupt nirvana. Don't no one wanna blow the high.

    by Rich N Mdriems on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 12:11:59 PM PDT

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    •  Thanks for the input. I'm amazed or aghast, not (0+ / 0-)

      sure which, at the doubling (+?) of the price.

      I'm sure many factors are involved on both the government side and the contractor side, most of which may never be explained.

      One recent report said that the containerized modules won't be ready for many more years.  I don't know if that is true or not.

      I don't expect these ships to slug it out in a scene reminiscent of Heligoland Bight or Jutland, but it seems the reality is that even lightly armed opponents could cause significant damage to extremely expensive ships (for their size and capabilities).  

      "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

      by YucatanMan on Sat Mar 30, 2013 at 12:45:19 AM PDT

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