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  •  Historical context - its what they are (3+ / 0-)
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    jolly roger

    •  Actually, Pirates were democratic... (0+ / 0-)

      Not Ultra-right wing fascists...  (At least as far as their charters went...)

      And occasionally they actually followed the rule of law.  (Letters of Marque and Reprisal)

      /snark

      I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

      by detroitmechworks on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 12:45:23 PM PDT

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      •  Not really. They were just criminal gangs (1+ / 0-)
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        who happened to have - or to have stolen - a ship.

        Business doesn't distinguish between making money and taking money.

        by Troubadour on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 12:54:05 PM PDT

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        •  Sir Francis Drake would disagree... (3+ / 0-)

          But yeah, pirates are a bit romanticized historically...

          Thank gawd nobody romanticizes corporate criminals...

          (Unless you count romance/smut novelists... uhm... I think maybe I should shut up now.)

          /snark

          I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

          by detroitmechworks on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 12:57:29 PM PDT

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          •  Drake was a rare breed. (1+ / 0-)
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            Business doesn't distinguish between making money and taking money.

            by Troubadour on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 01:07:42 PM PDT

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          •  Now now (1+ / 0-)
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            Sir Francis Drake was one of the earliest slave traders. Kidnapped men and women in Africa and sold them onto plantations in Brazil. Can't get much worse than that really even if it was legal at the time. His best heist was stealing a year's worth of gold and silver coming over the mountains on a mule train.

            •  It wasn't merely that it was legal. (1+ / 0-)

              The Renaissance "adventurers" were part of a culture still deeply rooted in the ancient ideology of conquest.  They pursued the subjugation of others with the full knowledge and acceptance that someone else might do the same to them - the empathy-less version of fairness.  

              Virtually no one - certainly not the Church that used their bastardy as an opportunity to force conversions, or the people of their own societies who benefited materially - objected to their actions.  Even most of their own victims came from societies with similar values, albeit on a smaller scale - with the exception of those from very small, peaceful, agrarian cultures.

              In societies where absolutely nothing is guaranteed, even for the elite - who could be stripped of their wealth, privilege, and even lives at a moment's notice by arbitrary rulers or their competitors - human beings find little that's inexcusable in their own service.

              Today, however, people who act like that are just sociopaths.  There are no excuses.  There is no risk to being wealthy on the backs of others in America, and no possible claim of ignorance about how wrong and despicable it is.

              Business doesn't distinguish between making money and taking money.

              by Troubadour on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 02:25:18 PM PDT

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