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  •  You know what is interesting to me? (6+ / 0-)

    The definition of Hispanic has nothing to do with race or brown skin, so looking in a crowd for "hispanics" makes no freaking sense.

    Unfortunately, ignorance has many people thinking that South America is just an extension of Mexico and guess what?  It's not.  There are whole countries of predominately caucasian hispanics.

    From Wikipedia (my bold):

    The U.S. Office of Management and Budget currently defines "Hispanic or Latino" as "a person of Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin, regardless of race".[35] The 2010 Census asked if the person was "Spanish/Hispanic/Latino". The United States Census uses the ethnonym Hispanic or Latino to refer to "a person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin regardless of race."[36] The Census Bureau also explains that "[o]rigin can be viewed as the heritage, nationality group, lineage, or country of birth of the person or the person’s ancestors before their arrival in the United States. People who identify their origin as Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish may be of any race."[37]
    My husband is an immigrant from Argentina.  He is Caucasian, with one grandfather who immigrated to South America from Italy and the other from Spain.  That's the same heritage as many people in the US who consider themselves European.  My mother in law makes homemade pasta (because she's the one with the dad from Italy) and my sister in law speaks Italian with her Buenos Aires, Argentina.

    In Mexico, the Spaniard conquerors interbred with the indigenous people.  In much of South America, they did not, or did not to nearly the same degree that they did in Mexico.  

    So, yes, my white skinned, blue eyed daughter is Hispanic because her father is an immigrant from a Spanish speaking country.

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    by k8dd8d on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 09:23:07 AM PDT

    •  Where does this leave Brazilians? (2+ / 0-)
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      I have neighbors from Brazil.
      The largest, most populous country in SA does not speak Spanish.
      Where does this census classification nonsense leave Brazilians of EU descent?

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      by olo on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 09:31:03 AM PDT

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      •  Well, they are (2+ / 0-)
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        South American, so I think they fall under Hispanic because the Spanish part of the sentence is an "OR" statement.  

        And really, this use is only in the US.  Historically, and in other parts of the world, Hispanic means anyone from the Iberian peninsula, including Portugal.

        Also from Wikipedia:

        Hispanic (Spanish: hispano, hispánico; Portuguese: hispânico, hispano, Catalan: hispà, hispànic)[1][2] is an ethnonym that denotes a relationship to Spain or, in some definitions, to ancient Hispania, which comprised the Iberian Peninsula including the modern states of Andorra, Portugal, and Spain and the British Crown Dependency of Gibraltar, and Morocco (Hispania Ulterior Tingitana)[3].[4][5]Today, organizations in the United States use the term to refer to persons with a historical and cultural relationship either with Spain and Portugal or only with Spain, regardless of race.[6][7] However, in the eyes of the US Census Bureau, Hispanics or Latinos can be of any race, any ancestry, or any country of origin.[8][9]

        If you took the greed out of Wall Street all you’d have left is pavement ~Robert Reich

        by k8dd8d on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 09:37:20 AM PDT

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    •  This is the same mentality (0+ / 0-)

      that assumes that all Italians are brown-eyed, olive skin, dark hair. Which, if you look at a map, is dumb. Part of Italy shares a border with Switzerland, Austria, France - and most Americans would think Swiss/Germans would be blond.

      There's a sizeable Asian population in some South American countries as well, but most Americans wouldn't think anybody of Asian heritage might come from South America.

      So it's very possible to have a Japanese looking person who is Hispanic and speaks Spanish as a first language.

      How does that old saying go? Oh yeah - you can't judge a book by its cover.

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