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  •  nascar (0+ / 0-)

    I wonder what would be the reaction if liberals got some nascar fans up on the podium for the camera.  Certainly there would be fun involved!

    But there is a serious issue here and it is not racism.  It is that liberals are focused on race, while conservatives are trying very hard to find a way to meet with the hispanics, and if liberals are not careful they will succeed.

    Here is an example.  Democrats are pretty secure in gaining the minority vote.  Therefore, when they don't in place like texas, the liberal blame vote suppression, gerrymandering, and the like.  While this may be true, the real issue is the bigotry of the north and west, majority white areas.

    While people ridicule Bush and Perry, they show that conservatives can resonate more with hispanics than liberals.  While even liberals are saying we need an immigration policy that makes sure Americans can get well paying jobs, Bush focused on making sure everyone in Texas had work, and Perry wants everyone in Texas to have an affordable education.

    These are powerful messages that resonate with hispanics.  The liberal north, with their message that everyone should have a high paying job, even the lazy ones, simply does not resonate.  And the customary snide comments against the south and Hispanics, even on this site, are not going to sit well with hispanics who have been teated well in places like Texas but perceive a bias in the rest of country.  For example, around here it is not uncommon for the liberal north to say how wonderful it is up there and how if only people would live like the superior northerner everyone would be ok.

    The unfortunate reality is that many hispanics have traveled to the north and west and are not impressed.  Sure we may be backward down here in our lowriders and spanglish and our rice and beans, but at least we got us a doublewide.

    •  unfortunate reality (4+ / 0-)
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      Share of Latino vote

      Romney 27%
      Obama 71%

      and the Democratic share of Latino presidential vote is trending up since 2004.

      •  percentages (0+ / 0-)

        Romney has 59% of the white vote.  Obama has 93% of the black vote and 73% fo the asian vote.  Clinton has 83% of the black vote in both elections.  And while Romney only achieved 27% hispanic votes, Bush was closer to 40%.

        If Obama was able to hit Hispanic votes north of 80%, these numbers might provide hope.  But as it is the 70% is cherry picking that lead the Democrats to lose to Bush two cycles running and lose the house to wingnuts.

        •  I think there were other reasons (0+ / 0-)

          for the Dems losing the House. Obama's overwhelming win of the Hispanic vote wasn't one of them.

          Also, Obama's 71% was just one percentage point below Clinton's 72% of the Hispanic vote in 1996, the highest Democratic share in recent history. No cherry picking there.

      •  And we should give them more reasons to (3+ / 0-)
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        come to Democrats, rather than being "not  Republicans."

        We missed some opportunities when Nancy Pelosi was Speaker of the House.

        We've got to have more Democrats who stand for Democratic Party principles and not just corporate interests.

        "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

        by YucatanMan on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 10:37:38 AM PDT

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    •  Perry? Are you serious? He has been all over (9+ / 0-)

      the state, calling for Border Walls, arming the state police to the teeth, with gunboats on the Rio Grande and snipers in helicopters.  

      One state police sniper recently shot up a pick-up load of people for no reason other than they didn't stop for a park ranger.  Killed people.  From a State Police helicopter. For no reason.

      All the Latinos I know hate Perry with a vengeance.  They'd sooner see him sink in the river in one of his gunboats than vote for him.

      His budget slashing has seriously hurt places like the Valley, where schools were marginal to begin with.  

      The state cut over $5 BILLION from school budgets and guess which demographic happens to have quite a few children in school?

      Perry wants everyone in Texas to have affordable education?  Are you kidding me?  Where do you get that?  He's been slashing money right and left.

      The Bush campaign put it out that he was liked by Latinos, but that wasn't the case on the ground.  And Perry has zero love lost there.

      I honestly don't know what you are talking about AT ALL with saying Perry is liked by Latinos.  At. All.

      "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

      by YucatanMan on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 10:42:21 AM PDT

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      •  Same in AZ. I can't say that Jan Brewer and (5+ / 0-)
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        the legislature are in any way, shape or form ever going to have Latinos like them.

        No matter how cynical you get, it is impossible to keep up.--Lily Tomlin

        by Desert Rose on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 10:47:49 AM PDT

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      •  read the facts (0+ / 0-)

        http://www.ontheissues.org/...

        No one who has a liberal bent likes Perry. Perry is scum. That does not translate to liking liberals who take them for granted.  I know tons of hispanics who don't like Obama

        Perry does not want a fence.  Perry did support arizona, but has made not serious effort to introduce such laws to Texas.  Perry does support border patrols, but that is a general republican stance to fund the police state, not a hispanic thing.  The problem with the mexico border is a drug thing, and unfortunately Obama is not doing anything to solve that.  Legalize drugs.  Cut off the money.  Much of the border violence that promotes excessive force will end.

        As far as school, no public school in texas asks about citizenship.  The social security number of Texas Applications is optional.  Citizenship is asked, but that is not a deal breaker.  Texas is only one of 12 or so states to provide in state tuition to undocumented students.  This means an degree costs under $40K.  

        The cuts to education spending reduces access to education for everyone, which in Texas means that if you dumb or lazy you will be left behind.  If you are smart and motivated, there is still be plenty or opportunity.  I see undocumented students recieve scholarships all the time.

        •  Perry is not for a fence. But that does not mean (0+ / 0-)

          he has not been adamant about sealing off the border. He has called for US troops to man the border and has moved state troopers and other resources.  

          He's used National Guard troops on the border.

          He has said the border is a "war zone as dangerous as Iraq."

          He has made false statements about events on the border to stir up emotions.

          He has proposed sending US troops into Mexico - essentially launching an invasion, which is an act of war against Mexico.

          He opposes the Dream Act.  

          From 2005 to 2011, Perry spent $400 million arming and patrolling the border.

          Simply because he does not favor the fence does not mean that Latinos see him in a favorable light.

          Obama was elected in 2008 with 67% of the Latino vote and in 2012 with 71%.  

          Perry was elected in 2010 with 38% of the Latino vote.  In his 2002 race, Perry only received 13% of the Latino vote running against Tony Sanchez.  So, his support isn't all as deep as that 38% might seem.

          That's quite a huge difference and Perry certainly didn't have majority support among Latinos.

          "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

          by YucatanMan on Sat Mar 30, 2013 at 01:23:34 PM PDT

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