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  •  Interesting. (0+ / 0-)

    And therefore, say, knowing essential history you will be better equipped to deal with the present and control the future.

    Does that sum it up?

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    by dov12348 on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 01:20:12 PM PDT

    •  Control? (3+ / 0-)
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      Silly modernity-induced fantasy.  We never controlled; never will.  But some of us feel a certain satisfaction, comfort even, from knowing things.

      Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

      by corvo on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 01:25:58 PM PDT

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      •  No, not to control absolutely. (1+ / 0-)
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        Better equipped to control.  As opposed to knowing no history.  I stand by that.

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        by dov12348 on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 01:29:00 PM PDT

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        •  You said "control the future." (1+ / 0-)
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          By which I thought you meant "control the future."  

          Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

          by corvo on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 01:30:30 PM PDT

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      •  OK, as long as you don't take it as far as... (0+ / 0-)

        Bruno Latour (We have never been modern).

        There is a line between skepticism about one's impact on reality and total solipsism or technological solipsism. (Please note, I'm not accusing you of solipsism. Just saying that everything can be taken too far.)

        •  The whole modernity project (2+ / 0-)
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          -- from the Enlightenment until sometime around the Reagan Era, when it seems to have fallen into death throes -- is an aberration from man's normal state, which is both stratified and savage.

          This doesn't make the modernity project any less real; it does, however, mark it as doomed from the start.

          Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

          by corvo on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 01:38:05 PM PDT

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          •  One man's abberation is another's evolution... (1+ / 0-)
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            We had something going for four centuries. We survived two lunatic superpowers with nukes on hair-trigger for forty years.

            Then the whole thing dies from television-induced stupidity.

            It sounds like a bad remake of "War of the Worlds", with us as the hapless Martians.

            Evolutionary dead-ends may be doomed in and of themselves. But evolution is always trying.

            Although, you have to have a functioning planet to try. We may have killed that.

    •  Well, you are more optimistic than I... (1+ / 0-)
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      I'm with Orwell, at least given where we are starting from today. (But thanks fork the un-taken opening to agree to your words.)

      An entire generation has grown up under Big Brother's total propaganda environment. At least a third of that generation was growing up in the fundamentalist bubble world.

      In a media world where stupidity and ignorance are equal to intelligence and knowledge, there is no past. There is only the present.

      That is what the past teaches me about dealing with the present. The future? I will be dead by the time we get out of this dystopia - assuming that we don't kill the environment. So, I'm just here in the present with a useless set of skills called historical awareness and rational argument.

      •  p.s. Baudrillard says hi (1+ / 0-)
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        and enjoy the pretty colors in which Baghdad goes boom!

        Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

        by corvo on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 01:31:30 PM PDT

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