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  •  Appointing a bipartisan presidential commission (2+ / 0-)
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    to deal with a serious problem in an era of hyperpartisanship (coming mostly from the other side) is sort of like inviting the KKK over for some beers and a screening of The Color Purple to get them to stop burning crosses on your lawn. Seriously, this is how Obama hopes to fix these problems, in which the GOP has been deliberately trying to purge voters rolls of likely Dem voters and make it otherwise incredibly hard for likely Dem voters to vote, by asking them to join a blue ribbon "fact-finding" make-nice commission?

    Will they follow Alan Simpson's lead and put out a Gangnam Style video? I can think of literally nothing I'd rather see than Ben Ginsberg mix it up with PSY.

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 08:02:42 AM PDT

    •  Bringing sides together is like the KKK. (1+ / 0-)
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      Because clearly, based on this thread, there's no partisanship going on here, it's all on the Right.

      jesuschristonafuckstick

      I see what you did there.

      by GoGoGoEverton on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 08:20:42 AM PDT

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      •  Nothing pleases some people. (2+ / 0-)
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        We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

        by raptavio on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 08:29:55 AM PDT

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        •  Obviously (1+ / 0-)
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          The rest of us, though, require SOMETHING to be "pleased".

          "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

          by kovie on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 08:54:26 AM PDT

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          •  You misspelled (2+ / 0-)
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            "EVERYTHING", and omitted "also, a pony."

            We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

            by raptavio on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 09:01:05 AM PDT

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            •  Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz (0+ / 0-)

              If Obama does it, it must be good...

              "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

              by kovie on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 09:01:53 AM PDT

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              •  Nope, (2+ / 0-)
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                but neither do I look for excuses, every time he does something which is facially a good, to dismiss it as evil in disguise.

                Unlike some people.

                We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

                by raptavio on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 09:08:21 AM PDT

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                •  I called it evil? Where? (0+ / 0-)

                  Another failed moment in knee-jerkism...

                  "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

                  by kovie on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 09:13:29 AM PDT

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                  •  As you wish (1+ / 0-)
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                    to dismiss it as useless, wrong, bad, choose your adjective.

                    Either way, to find excuses to repeat the meme that Obama can do no good.

                    We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

                    by raptavio on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 09:23:40 AM PDT

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                    •  If you can't tell the difference (0+ / 0-)

                      between evil and wrong, then I can't discuss this with you. If you're intent on believing that we operate out of a deep hatred for Obama and that our criticisms aren't based on actual specifics, then what's the point? It's as much of a conversation ender as when Repubs accused the left of having BDS.

                      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

                      by kovie on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 09:56:02 AM PDT

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                      •  Oh, I know the difference (1+ / 0-)
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                        but I find precious little distinction in the rhetoric I often see from you and your allies.

                        The reason I find it so hard to have a rational conversation is because I have yet to see an instance where you've demonstrated a capacity to admit the President has done anything good, at all. Absolutism is the conversation ender, not the accusation thereof.

                        We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

                        by raptavio on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 10:58:27 AM PDT

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                        •  Ok that's just an outright lie (0+ / 0-)

                          There's no way in hell you haven't come across a comment of mine in which I've praised or complimented Obama on anything.

                          Obama ended the Iraq war and signed Lily Ledbetter, both good things.

                          There, I just proved what a lie you just told.

                          "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

                          by kovie on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 11:05:43 AM PDT

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                          •  Wow. (0+ / 0-)

                            Impressive degrees of arrogance in thinking I monitor what you or any other suxxer have been writing.

                            But good on you! You said two good things about Obama.

                            Now tell me the good parts of this EO.

                            We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

                            by raptavio on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 11:11:32 AM PDT

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                          •  Interesting, isn't it (0+ / 0-)

                            That you seem more than able to track down my "Obama-hating" comments but not the ones that say nice things about him. Obviously pure random luck. And I'm the one predisposed towards one-sided thinking...

                            But I accept your apology.

                            "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

                            by kovie on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 12:59:10 PM PDT

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                          •  What can I say? (0+ / 0-)

                            You stick out like a sore thumb when there's great news and you're being whiny about it.

                            If there's great news and you agree it's great news, I don't imagine you'd be noticed.

                            I notice you're unwilling to say anything good about this good news.

                            We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

                            by raptavio on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 01:26:33 PM PDT

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                          •  It's not really such great news (0+ / 0-)

                            Bipartisan commissions are what you typically appoint when you want to look like you're doing something you don't really want to do much about. If he was serious about this he'd task the DoJ to look into election law and voting rights violations and appoint an task group to investigate election and voting issues and recommend real reform. He's the president and doesn't need the approval of some fake bipartisan GOP hack for political cover.

                            Can you name one presidential commission whose work led to real reform?

                            "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

                            by kovie on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 04:19:32 PM PDT

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                          •  Sure. (0+ / 0-)

                            The Roberts Commission.
                            The Rogers Commission.
                            The Watkins Commission.

                            Surprises me you can't name any.

                            We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

                            by raptavio on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 05:34:32 PM PDT

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                          •  The who what? (0+ / 0-)

                            These were decades ago, back when there actually was bipartisanship. How about we also include the Taft Commission and the Lewis & Clark Expedition?

                            "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

                            by kovie on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 05:46:14 PM PDT

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                          •  You didn't say "in recent history." (0+ / 0-)

                            When you get your bluff called, you shift the goalposts. Dishonest of you.

                            Bush's commissions were a joke. Clinton had almost none, and they were not of significant consequence. Two that I'm aware of. That leaves three for Obama prior to this one. So you've got a -very- small pool if you want to constrain it so.

                            We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

                            by raptavio on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 06:25:46 PM PDT

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                          •  And how exactly does ancient history (0+ / 0-)

                            matter here? Your most recent one was in the late 80's, before Repubs went apeshit over Clinton and decided to wage a 20 year war. I'm not completely against commissions for certain issues. Gun control might have been a good way to give Repubs cover for going along with some of it. But at this point vote suppression is pretty much all they have--along with tanking the economy yet again. You really think they're going to cooperate with Obama on either?

                            I never snark about such things gratuitously, even though you think I do, nor am I inclined to "hate" out of poutraged infantilism. I've been following politics since the early 70's and I can tell a real effort from an optical one. Disagree if you like but don't assume that us "haters" are just disappointed purists who didn't get their pony. This stuff actually matters to us.

                            "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

                            by kovie on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 07:51:30 PM PDT

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                          •  I would believe you (0+ / 0-)

                            if you didn't keep shifting and changing your argument when you issue a direct challenge, get it answered, then shift the goalposts.

                            But that's what you do, and that's why you lack credibility.

                            We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

                            by raptavio on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 08:13:35 PM PDT

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                          •  No, it's what you say I do (0+ / 0-)

                            And you're the last person to tell anyone about credibility since you've never done anything but rubber stamp everything Obama's done and attack anyone who won't. It's literally the only thing you do here--ever.

                            "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

                            by kovie on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 10:02:21 PM PDT

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                          •  Funny statement (0+ / 0-)

                            from the guy who called me a liar earlier today. A very cursory review of my comments today puts the lie to your remarks.

                            But nice 'tu quoque' there, chum. The bit dog hollers.

                            Bye now. Have a nice night.

                            We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

                            by raptavio on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 10:05:53 PM PDT

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                          •  Then you've had a sudden awakening (0+ / 0-)

                            Congrats on the reality check.

                            "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

                            by kovie on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 10:16:13 PM PDT

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                          •  It has always been thus, genius. (0+ / 0-)

                            You just are as blind as you have falsely accused me of being.

                            End of line.

                            We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

                            by raptavio on Sat Mar 30, 2013 at 07:47:31 AM PDT

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            •  We'll settle for "no crooks and liars" (2+ / 0-)

              No conflict of interest would be nice, too.

              Forget the ponies, just give us an honest effort instead of the usual weasely, corrupt ThirdWay BS.

              It is an old strategy of tyrants to delude their victims into fighting their battles for them. FDR

              by Betty Pinson on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 09:21:19 AM PDT

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        •  Self-sabotage just doesn't work (1+ / 0-)
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          Putting together commissions with lofty goals filled with bad actors and crooked characters usually dooms the effort from the start.  Kind of like the Cat Food Commission.

          Can someone give Obama better advice on setting up these commissions?  How about filling them instead with people who are ethical experts and actual voters from the real world?

          It is an old strategy of tyrants to delude their victims into fighting their battles for them. FDR

          by Betty Pinson on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 09:05:30 AM PDT

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          •  While I understand (1+ / 0-)
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            the assumption that everything with an R by its name is a bad actor and crooked character -- and certainly this is facially true of the Republican leadership in House, Senate and national party -- it is not necessarily true of everyone.

            There are many people of both parties, third parties, and no party, who are on the issue of the integrity of our election process, people who act in good faith.

            Let's see who the team is before we start wailing, gnashing teeth, and rending garments.

            We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

            by raptavio on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 09:10:50 AM PDT

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            •  Name one in the GOP--just ONE (0+ / 0-)

              Not a former Repub, or someone who still calls themselves a Repub but who's been rejected by the party as a RINO and thus has no real power.

              Yeah, I thought so.

              "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

              by kovie on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 09:15:05 AM PDT

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              •  Why do you (1+ / 0-)
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                exclude those dubbed 'RINO'? These are Obama's appointees, after all; they're not excluded from the mix.

                We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

                by raptavio on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 09:22:22 AM PDT

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                •  I'm pretty sure that the GOP rejects (0+ / 0-)

                  people like LaHood, Hagel & Christie as RINOS. In fact they just did. And Obama didn't even appoint Christie to anything, just hugged him.

                  Still waiting for a list of non-RINOs who are worthy of respect. I.e. current Repubs in good standing with the party faithful. Ginsberg ain't one of them. He's just another ratfucker, polished variety, like David Brooks.

                  "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

                  by kovie on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 09:44:23 AM PDT

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                •  Ok I've got one for you (0+ / 0-)

                  Ted Olson. Still can't forgive him for 2000 but he's been very admirable and effective on legalizing gay marriage, and to my knowledge few if any Repubs have kicked him out of the party for it. But that's probably because he's an incredibly smart and tough operative with lots of connections that few are willing to cross, and also because this issue has become dangerous for Repubs to oppose. But if Obama appointed him to the commission, I'd be ok with that. I bet that deep down he wonders if he'd acted differently in 2000 whether his wife would still be alive, so election reform might be a personal thing for him.

                  "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

                  by kovie on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 09:49:42 AM PDT

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                •  No politicians (0+ / 0-)

                  but actual non-partisan experts are a better choice.

                  It is an old strategy of tyrants to delude their victims into fighting their battles for them. FDR

                  by Betty Pinson on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 09:52:03 AM PDT

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              •  I'm sure they can find one (1+ / 0-)
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                How about John Danforth or someone of his ilk?  Someone who has a little self-respect.

                What's wrong with non-partisan experts?  If you can't find an honest GOP'er, go with someone who is non-partisan - universities are full of them.

                But scraping the bottom of the GOP barell for the worst violators in the voter suppression game doesn't seem like a good idea. At all.

                It is an old strategy of tyrants to delude their victims into fighting their battles for them. FDR

                by Betty Pinson on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 09:25:10 AM PDT

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      •  Are we still beating the bipartisan kumbaya (0+ / 0-)

        dead horse? Still? Even now? With lollipops? Can I haz sum a dat?

        "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

        by kovie on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 08:53:52 AM PDT

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        •  Yes, because insulting african americans by (1+ / 0-)
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          comparing their struggles against the KKK to including Republicans in a bipartisan election commission is just 'not kumbaya'. nt

          I see what you did there.

          by GoGoGoEverton on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 01:26:29 PM PDT

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          •  Do you know who Ginsberg is? (0+ / 0-)

            He's a white-glove ratfucker, i.e. someone who's helped an overtly racist party screw over anyone who's not a rich white bigot, including through election tampering and voter suppression. He helped steal the 2000 election. If you don't think it was stolen and that wasn't a slicker version of what the KKK does then you're living in an alternate reality.

            "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

            by kovie on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 04:26:12 PM PDT

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    •  Agree, the stated goals are good (0+ / 0-)

      But the characters they're bringing to the table indicate they're not serious about this effort.

      Is it too much to ask that average voters with no political connections also have a seat at the table?

      It is an old strategy of tyrants to delude their victims into fighting their battles for them. FDR

      by Betty Pinson on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 09:01:27 AM PDT

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