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  •  Really? (3+ / 0-)
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    This is fantastic news and all you can say is "Nothing on ID laws"? Obama's already come out against those.

    We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

    by raptavio on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 08:29:17 AM PDT

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    •  Voter ID laws are a serious, serious problem (2+ / 0-)
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      They've been a handy tool for the GOP in voter suppression.

      Why would the WH fail to address the problem?

      It is an old strategy of tyrants to delude their victims into fighting their battles for them. FDR

      by Betty Pinson on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 09:06:56 AM PDT

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      •  How? (1+ / 0-)
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        I mean, here in MN the voters took care of it by a hearty, commanding 'fuck you' to the voter ID morans, but what would you propose the WH do?

        We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

        by raptavio on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 09:12:04 AM PDT

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      •  Who says they (0+ / 0-)

        will fail to address this problem?

        Read the last sentence in the diary:

        In the months leading up to the November 2012 General Election, several States passed legislation that made it harder for people to vote. Laws were passed that cut early voting hours, new voter ID laws that were convoluted, the purging of voter rolls of voters who voted for a particular party and limiting the number of electronic voting machines in some districts which caused long lines and waits of up to 9 hours.  These are just a few of the voter suppression laws passed in some States.

        These suppression laws and several others will be investigated by the Commission.

        Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek. Barack Obama

        by delphine on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 09:13:06 AM PDT

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        •  Then spell it out. (1+ / 0-)
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          That's not hard to do.

          It is an old strategy of tyrants to delude their victims into fighting their battles for them. FDR

          by Betty Pinson on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 09:39:52 AM PDT

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          •  That's ridiculous (0+ / 0-)

            If he tries to put an exhaustive list into the EO, he limits the scope of the commission to that list.

            At any point that the EO has something akin to "etc.", there will be something that was not listed that people will freak out over not seeing in the list.

            Why assume that everything not listed specifically in the EO will be ignored?  

            "New voter I.D. laws" was mentioned, though, so I don't see what your particular problem is.

            Frankly, open ended is fine by me.  Let them find everything.

            Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek. Barack Obama

            by delphine on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 03:44:46 PM PDT

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      •  The DOJ stopped Voter ID laws they had juris (0+ / 0-)

        diction over under the VRA.

      •  dems/left is way behind on voter ID crap (0+ / 0-)

        it has been a regular topic on RW radio- that's why so much of it got sold. the ALEC allies have been selling it on RW radio for many years. it's all tied in to the anti immigration/ minutemen crap- one of the main reasons rove pushed anti-immigration, border walls, etc.

        any state that has  sizeable mexican american or mexican immigration 'issues' gets blasted with local and national stories of mexicans crossing the border illegally and then committing crimes- theft, murder, drugs, rape, child abuse, whatever. they probably make half of it up.

        but the local radio blowhards will do regular programs on it, take a particular case and chew on it, blasting their states with outrage that these people can actually vote! that's why so many voter ID laws get passed. and when they show up in legislation that's where the big local and state vote push starts.

        another reason for dems to stop ignoring the radio.

        This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

        by certainot on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 10:23:32 PM PDT

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    •  The ID laws are the single most effective tool (2+ / 0-)
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      Republicans are using.  It's their way around the 24th amendment.  SCOTUS has ruled they aren't a poll tax, even though they are.  So the GOP is making getting an ID as tough as possible, and they are making the ID requirements as strict as possible to cut down the number of voters to only the ones that will vote for them.

      And by not addressing it directly through legislation and making it a top priority, even in a "commission", or through executive order, is a big thing.

      "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

      by zenbassoon on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 09:11:50 AM PDT

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      •  Same question to Betty: (1+ / 0-)
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        What do you propose?

        We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

        by raptavio on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 09:13:08 AM PDT

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        •  Non-partisan experts & consumer representatives (1+ / 0-)
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          Recruit actual people who vote and who are not employed by or have conflicts of interest with political parties or partisan profiteers.  Just regular people from Main Street America.

          Verified Voting is an excellent non-partisan resource, experts on issues related to IT issues, etc.

          League of Women Voters

          Find some real, non-partisan Constitutional experts from universities also maybe a respectable judge.

          But most important, give actual everyday voters at least three places at the table with full voting rights on results.  Allow them to keep the process honest and reality based.  Pick one from a rural area, one from the Burbs and one from an urban area.

          The WH should not appoint any commission or study group on any issue that doesn't have full consumer representation.  It's a no brainer.

          It is an old strategy of tyrants to delude their victims into fighting their battles for them. FDR

          by Betty Pinson on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 09:34:34 AM PDT

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          •  Consumer? (0+ / 0-)

            This is about voting, not purchasing.

            I think the actual everyday voters thing is pointless because they're not subject matter experts.

            However, the LWV and Verified Voting would be great ideas, as would having nonpartisan legal experts.

            We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

            by raptavio on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 09:38:57 AM PDT

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            •  Call it what you want, citizen advocate, whatever (1+ / 0-)
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              I think you know what I mean.  In my area of expertise, we refer to them as consumer advocates.

              But they need to be regular people free from outside influence who are informed about the issues involved or have been provided the necessary training.  Most importantly, they need to be real advocates who understand their role is to represent other citizens like themselves - that their role is to put the needs and rights of average citizens first and foremost in their work on the commission.

              Oversight of the commission should include vigorous efforts to ensure these advocates are fully and equally empowered and not pressured by others inside or outside of the commission.  

              It is an old strategy of tyrants to delude their victims into fighting their battles for them. FDR

              by Betty Pinson on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 09:46:37 AM PDT

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              •  Well, that's a detail (0+ / 0-)

                that has merit.

                But it's a good set of ideas overall.

                We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

                by raptavio on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 10:50:19 AM PDT

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