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  •  Self-sabotage just doesn't work (1+ / 0-)
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    Putting together commissions with lofty goals filled with bad actors and crooked characters usually dooms the effort from the start.  Kind of like the Cat Food Commission.

    Can someone give Obama better advice on setting up these commissions?  How about filling them instead with people who are ethical experts and actual voters from the real world?

    It is an old strategy of tyrants to delude their victims into fighting their battles for them. FDR

    by Betty Pinson on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 09:05:30 AM PDT

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    •  While I understand (1+ / 0-)
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      the assumption that everything with an R by its name is a bad actor and crooked character -- and certainly this is facially true of the Republican leadership in House, Senate and national party -- it is not necessarily true of everyone.

      There are many people of both parties, third parties, and no party, who are on the issue of the integrity of our election process, people who act in good faith.

      Let's see who the team is before we start wailing, gnashing teeth, and rending garments.

      We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

      by raptavio on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 09:10:50 AM PDT

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      •  Name one in the GOP--just ONE (0+ / 0-)

        Not a former Repub, or someone who still calls themselves a Repub but who's been rejected by the party as a RINO and thus has no real power.

        Yeah, I thought so.

        "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

        by kovie on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 09:15:05 AM PDT

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        •  Why do you (1+ / 0-)
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          exclude those dubbed 'RINO'? These are Obama's appointees, after all; they're not excluded from the mix.

          We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

          by raptavio on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 09:22:22 AM PDT

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          •  I'm pretty sure that the GOP rejects (0+ / 0-)

            people like LaHood, Hagel & Christie as RINOS. In fact they just did. And Obama didn't even appoint Christie to anything, just hugged him.

            Still waiting for a list of non-RINOs who are worthy of respect. I.e. current Repubs in good standing with the party faithful. Ginsberg ain't one of them. He's just another ratfucker, polished variety, like David Brooks.

            "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

            by kovie on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 09:44:23 AM PDT

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          •  Ok I've got one for you (0+ / 0-)

            Ted Olson. Still can't forgive him for 2000 but he's been very admirable and effective on legalizing gay marriage, and to my knowledge few if any Repubs have kicked him out of the party for it. But that's probably because he's an incredibly smart and tough operative with lots of connections that few are willing to cross, and also because this issue has become dangerous for Repubs to oppose. But if Obama appointed him to the commission, I'd be ok with that. I bet that deep down he wonders if he'd acted differently in 2000 whether his wife would still be alive, so election reform might be a personal thing for him.

            "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

            by kovie on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 09:49:42 AM PDT

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          •  No politicians (0+ / 0-)

            but actual non-partisan experts are a better choice.

            It is an old strategy of tyrants to delude their victims into fighting their battles for them. FDR

            by Betty Pinson on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 09:52:03 AM PDT

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        •  I'm sure they can find one (1+ / 0-)
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          How about John Danforth or someone of his ilk?  Someone who has a little self-respect.

          What's wrong with non-partisan experts?  If you can't find an honest GOP'er, go with someone who is non-partisan - universities are full of them.

          But scraping the bottom of the GOP barell for the worst violators in the voter suppression game doesn't seem like a good idea. At all.

          It is an old strategy of tyrants to delude their victims into fighting their battles for them. FDR

          by Betty Pinson on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 09:25:10 AM PDT

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          •  There are plenty of decent former and current (0+ / 0-)

            Repubs out there, like John Dean, Kevin Philips, Ray LaHood. It's just that precious few of them are welcome within the fold anymore.

            "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

            by kovie on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 09:46:48 AM PDT

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          •  Correction: barrel n/t (0+ / 0-)

            It is an old strategy of tyrants to delude their victims into fighting their battles for them. FDR

            by Betty Pinson on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 09:50:37 AM PDT

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